Strategija Velike Britanije u borbi protiv korone temelji se na strategiji 'imuniteta krda'

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danni1 wrote:

red wolf wrote:Kvaka je u tome što bi u tom periodu trebalo razviti cjepivo koje će biti učinkovito protiv virusa. No, prema zadnjim vijestima, odustali su od te ideje. Za cjepivo je potrebno 18 ili više mjeseci...

Cijepivo i nije neka nada. Postoji cijepivo i za gripu pa je poprilično neučinkovito. Ne vidim zašto misle da će cijepivo za koronu bit bolje.

Problem je što se treba nekako naviknuti na ovaj virus...

Previše žrtava uzima ovako na prvi udar, otkad se pojavio. I to ne zato što je tako letalan nego zato što se tako lako širi.

Veća opasnost je od ovakvog virusa koji ima smrtnost 2 % ali se eksponencijalno širi nego od nekog drugog koji ima smrtnost 20% ali se tako lako ne širi.

Corona virusi udaraju svako malo, SARS, MERS i sada COVID-19.Po svemu sudeći priroda radi po svome u odnosu na preveliko i rstuće čovječanstvo.

Malo ćemo se naviknuti na njega, malo se procijepiti, malo poboljšati lijekove i to je to...a on će uzimati dio svog danka kao i druge bolesti.

Pa tako nekako.

Prošle sezone gripa je uzela u RH 117 života a zabilježeno je bilo nešto više od 61000 oboljelih. Tako će bit i sa koronom.

Par desetaka tisuća zaraženih i par stotina smrti i idemo dalje.

Sve je stvar navike.

Da, s praktične i psihološke strane mislim da će cjepivo uvesti neki red. U smislu da izađemo iz panike, djelomice smanjimo žrtve i dobijemo osjećaj da smo ovladali ugrozom. To što će ona i dalje sporadično šiti, e to je stvar navikavanja.

danni1 wrote:

red wolf wrote:Kvaka je u tome što bi u tom periodu trebalo razviti cjepivo koje će biti učinkovito protiv virusa. No, prema zadnjim vijestima, odustali su od te ideje. Za cjepivo je potrebno 18 ili više mjeseci...

Cijepivo i nije neka nada. Postoji cijepivo i za gripu pa je poprilično neučinkovito. Ne vidim zašto misle da će cijepivo za koronu bit bolje.

Uvijek postoji nada...Danas im je postalo jasno kako se jedino može boriti, sada, protiv virusa...Cjepivo će biti za 12 ili 18 mjeseci...

cijepivo nije potrebno,budalestine

Unimatrix_Zero wrote:cijepivo nije potrebno,budalestine

tako je..samo treba bustati imunitet,zato se drste podalje bolnica,makar morali doma džedžiti...jaka hrana,rakija,vodka,luka crvenoga i bijeloga...i puno vitamina C

Ja lupam po Gripostadu,ACC-u,Magnesiumu,B komplesu i tu i tamo roknem neko energetcko pice..

Legendovich wrote:

Unimatrix_Zero wrote:cijepivo nije potrebno,budalestine

tako je..samo treba bustati imunitet,zato se drste podalje bolnica,makar morali doma džedžiti...jaka hrana,rakija,vodka,luka crvenoga i bijeloga...i puno vitamina C

Ja lupam po Gripostadu,ACC-u,Magnesiumu,B komplesu i tu i tamo roknem neko energetcko pice..

da,nije lose,dodaj tu i Cinka i odlicna formula,ima ga i u skoljkama,sjemenkama bundevinim itd
kad je evropom garala neka zaraza,i ljudi umirali masovno,tadasnja ekipa je shvatila da je kljuc dzati ljude u izolaciji i jos su palili kuce,brodove sve sto je bilo u dodiru sa zarazenim ljudima,sablasno,ali najzesci trip je bio kako su to ljudi opisivali,utripovali se, ljudi gavrani,u biti to su bili obicni ljudi koji su pomagali bolesnima obuceni u neka cna odijela i imali su neku vrstu primitivne ali efikasne maske za usta i nos a licila je na kljun,u maski su bili navodno razni anti-virani sastojci tipa,cesnjak,neke ljute paprike,levanda,ko zna sta sve jos,nesto sto ce zaustaviti viruse pa se ne zaraze i ti ljudi sto pomazu bolesnima.

nevezano za to bas me zanima kad ovo prodje kako ce se trula evropa postaviti prema majci rusiji i kinezima kojima su zabiberili sankcije a oni im sad pomazu bez obzira na te gnusne postupke

Unimatrix_Zero wrote:

Legendovich wrote:

Unimatrix_Zero wrote:cijepivo nije potrebno,budalestine

tako je..samo treba bustati imunitet,zato se drste podalje bolnica,makar morali doma džedžiti...jaka hrana,rakija,vodka,luka crvenoga i bijeloga...i puno vitamina C

Ja lupam po Gripostadu,ACC-u,Magnesiumu,B komplesu i tu i tamo roknem neko energetcko pice..

da,nije lose,dodaj tu i Cinka i odlicna formula,ima ga i u skoljkama,sjemenkama bundevinim itd
kad je evropom garala neka zaraza,i ljudi umirali masovno,tadasnja ekipa je shvatila da je kljuc dzati ljude u izolaciji i jos su palili kuce,brodove sve sto je bilo u dodiru sa zarazenim ljudima,sablasno,ali najzesci trip je bio kako su to ljudi opisivali,utripovali se,    ljudi gavrani,u biti to su bili obicni ljudi koji su pomagali bolesnima obuceni u neka cna odijela i imali su neku vrstu primitivne ali efikasne maske za usta i nos a licila je na kljun,u maski su bili navodno razni anti-virani sastojci tipa,cesnjak,neke ljute paprike,levanda,ko zna sta sve jos,nesto sto ce zaustaviti viruse pa se ne zaraze i ti ljudi sto pomazu bolesnima.

nevezano za to bas me zanima kad ovo prodje kako ce se trula evropa postaviti prema majci rusiji i kinezima kojima su zabiberili sankcije a oni im sad pomazu bez obzira na te gnusne postupke

U ACCu ima Zinca,,nista protiv gripe u sustini niti nema..prije su doturi govorili Vruceg caja sa limunom i andola..i pomagalo jest..moras se paziti i obicne prehlade brzo je suzbiti jer ti rusi imunitet.

ovo mislis..

to je tak lik sta mu je onaj stap,mozda neka baklja

sve t ipise,povecaj sliku

jebemti koprive pa taj lik j morao non stop zvakati bijeli luk,koji shit

Noor wrote:

red wolf wrote:

Noor wrote:

red wolf wrote:

Noor wrote:
o kolektivnom imunitetu može se govoriti samo onda kada je imuniziran velik postotak stanovništva.
obzirom da za koronavirus imunizacije nema i da je do sada mutirao već više od 100x, nitko ne može znati da li će nakon ozdravljenja ljudi sticati imunitet ili neće, jer svaki soj napada drugačije
dakle, ni o kakvom imunitetu se tu ne može pričati, a najmanje o kolektivnom.

Daj obavijesti nadležne o tome...Vjerujem da će im ta informacija biti korisna...

ti si totalno dezinformiran    

Još jučer se među epidemiolozima raspravljalo je li COVID-19 mutirao ili nije, a ti si ovdje dala podatak da je mutirao, čak 100 puta...Očigledno imaš informacije o tome, pa izvoli informirati nadležne...Taj podatak će im itekako značiti puno...

@Gnječ, jesi li ti postavio neki dan onaj link o mutacijama covid-19?

ja sam stavio link. ne stignem vidjeti sve postove pa odgovaram sada.

ali eto već kad sam krenuo pisati evo još jedna "novost" ili više novosti kopirati ću cijeli članak u slučaju da bude deletiran:

Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research
Lab-made coronavirus related to SARS can infect human cells.

Editors’ note, March 2020: We are aware that this story is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus.

12 November 2015

An experiment that created a hybrid version of a bat coronavirus — one related to the virus that causes SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) — has triggered renewed debate over whether engineering lab variants of viruses with possible pandemic potential is worth the risks.

In an article published in Nature Medicine1 on 9 November, scientists investigated a virus called SHC014, which is found in horseshoe bats in China. The researchers created a chimaeric virus, made up of a surface protein of SHC014 and the backbone of a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and to mimic human disease. The chimaera infected human airway cells — proving that the surface protein of SHC014 has the necessary structure to bind to a key receptor on the cells and to infect them. It also caused disease in mice, but did not kill them.

Although almost all coronaviruses isolated from bats have not been able to bind to the key human receptor, SHC014 is not the first that can do so. In 2013, researchers reported this ability for the first time in a different coronavirus isolated from the same bat population2.

The findings reinforce suspicions that bat coronaviruses capable of directly infecting humans (rather than first needing to evolve in an intermediate animal host) may be more common than previously thought, the researchers say.

But other virologists question whether the information gleaned from the experiment justifies the potential risk. Although the extent of any risk is difficult to assess, Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, points out that the researchers have created a novel virus that “grows remarkably well” in human cells. “If the virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” he says.

Creation of a chimaera

The argument is essentially a rerun of the debate over whether to allow lab research that increases the virulence, ease of spread or host range of dangerous pathogens — what is known as ‘gain-of-function’ research. In October 2014, the US government imposed a moratorium on federal funding of such research on the viruses that cause SARS, influenza and MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome, a deadly disease caused by a virus that sporadically jumps from camels to people).

The latest study was already under way before the US moratorium began, and the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) allowed it to proceed while it was under review by the agency, says Ralph Baric, an infectious-disease researcher at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, a co-author of the study. The NIH eventually concluded that the work was not so risky as to fall under the moratorium, he says.

But Wain-Hobson disapproves of the study because, he says, it provides little benefit, and reveals little about the risk that the wild SHC014 virus in bats poses to humans.

Other experiments in the study show that the virus in wild bats would need to evolve to pose any threat to humans — a change that may never happen, although it cannot be ruled out. Baric and his team reconstructed the wild virus from its genome sequence and found that it grew poorly in human cell cultures and caused no significant disease in mice.

“The only impact of this work is the creation, in a lab, of a new, non-natural risk,” agrees Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist and biodefence expert at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Both Ebright and Wain-Hobson are long-standing critics of gain-of-function research.

In their paper, the study authors also concede that funders may think twice about allowing such experiments in the future. "Scientific review panels may deem similar studies building chimeric viruses based on circulating strains too risky to pursue," they write, adding that discussion is needed as to "whether these types of chimeric virus studies warrant further investigation versus the inherent risks involved”.

Useful research

But Baric and others say the research did have benefits. The study findings “move this virus from a candidate emerging pathogen to a clear and present danger”, says Peter Daszak, who co-authored the 2013 paper. Daszak is president of the EcoHealth Alliance, an international network of scientists, headquartered in New York City, that samples viruses from animals and people in emerging-diseases hotspots across the globe.

Studies testing hybrid viruses in human cell culture and animal models are limited in what they can say about the threat posed by a wild virus, Daszak agrees. But he argues that they can help indicate which pathogens should be prioritized for further research attention.

Without the experiments, says Baric, the SHC014 virus would still be seen as not a threat. Previously, scientists had believed, on the basis of molecular modelling and other studies, that it should not be able to infect human cells. The latest work shows that the virus has already overcome critical barriers, such as being able to latch onto human receptors and efficiently infect human airway cells, he says. “I don't think you can ignore that.” He plans to do further studies with the virus in non-human primates, which may yield data more relevant to humans.


https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787

i ovo skinuti pdf datoteku:

Independent analysts have spoken with numerous biologists who suggest the virus was likely created artificially.
The retrovirus (RNA-containing viruses, which includes HIV) belongs to the same genome “class” as drosophiles, white mice, Escherichia coli and its plasmid/ring genome, which is convenient for rapid laboratory reproduction of modified genetic engineering. To imagine that a world pandemic has arisen as a result of mutations in drosophila or white mice is as ridiculous as to claim the same thing about retrovirus.

There are a variety of relevant factors: the warm winter and coming cool summer,the outbreak occurring in Wuhan where bioweapon labs are located, the US extensive research modifying retro-viruses in bats to be embedded in the human genome, the current level of bio-science– With all of this in mind, the artificial origin of the current coronavirus seems probable.

According to UWI sources in the medical industry engaged in the study of COVID-19, the specific features of the novel coronavirus (rapid mutation, gradual weakening, etc.) show that it is synthetic, made in the laboratory. Survivors have problems with the lungs (fibrosis), and the genome has the potential to develop into cancer. Thus the real danger for the survivors will come in future.

In theory, the new coronavirus is quite suitable as a biological weapon. The virus is respiratory, meaning it spreads effectively. It has a long incubation period. The coronavirus takes control of the first stages of the infection. It can suppress the immune response in the first stages. When the number of copies exceeds a certain level, an immunity is triggered, but already as a systemic immune response. This response is so strong that it leads to lung damage. The immune system gives such a strong answer that in lungs is formed edema, their vital volume is reduced to a minimum, making it impossible for the victim to breathe.

Of course, some American and mainstream media rushed to refute any arguments suggesting the virus was man-made. For example, both American and Chinese researchers criticized an Indian paper which claimed that four unique inserts in COVID-19, all of which are similar to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1, are “unlikely to be fortuitous in nature,” suggesting that the virus might have been designed.

Or perhaps these scientists have something they want to conceal?

A dangerous experiment
In 2015, Professor Ralph Baric, the head of the Department of Epidemiology at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, made a chimera coronavirus and published an article showing its potential danger.

Nature magazine reported on the experiment. The researchers had experimented with the creation of a hybrid coronavirus by crossing the surface protein SHC014 with the SARS virus in bats. The result was a mutant virus that develops very quickly and actively in human cells, and is extremely deadly.

The discovery sparked a heated debate in the scientific community. Scientists at the time said a deadly virus could leak out of the lab, taking a lot of lives. The fact that the experiment was conducted after US authorities imposed a moratorium on funding research on influenza viruses such as SARS and MERS in 2014 has also sparked criticism, as an exception seems to have been made in this case.

“The only impact of this work is the creation, in a lab, of a new, non-natural risk”, said Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist and biodefense expert at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey.

So we have scientific research that has proven the possibility of creating a deadly virus based on coronavirus found in Chinese bats. The research was conducted in the US, and although this kind of research was prohibited, the government made an exception for it.

In 4 years, the US ran simulations where the virus emerged in China and led to the death of half a million people in the US itself. During the exercise, there were reports of a possible diversion of biological weapons from a military laboratory in Fort Detrick. A few months later, China is experiencing an outbreak of disease caused by the mutated coronavirus of bats. Is it likely that this is just a simple coincidence?

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“Crimson Contagion”.

CRIMSON CONTAGION 2019 FUNCTIONAL EXERCISE

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6824-2019-10-key-findings-and-after/05bd797500ea55be0724/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

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https://uwidata.com/9138-is-covid-19-an-american-bioweapon/

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502

Army germ lab shut down by CDC in 2019 had several 'serious' protocol violations that year

FREDERICK, Md. — In 2019, an Army laboratory at Fort Detrick that studies deadly infectious material like Ebola and smallpox was shut down for a period of time after a CDC inspection, with many projects being temporarily halted.

The lab itself reported that the shutdown order was due to ongoing infrastructure issues with wastewater decontamination, and the CDC declined to provide the reason for the shutdown due to national security concerns.

ABC7 has received documents from the CDC outlining violations they discovered during a series of inspections that year, some of which were labeled "serious."

Earlier that year, the US Army Medical Research Institute had announced an experiment at the Fort Detrick laboratory that would involve infecting rhesus macaque monkeys with active Ebola virus to test a cure they were developing.

Several of the laboratory violations the CDC noted in 2019 concerned "non-human primates" infected with a "select agent", the identity of which is unknown — it was redacted in all received documents, because disclosing the identity and location of the agent would endanger public health or safety, the agency says. In addition to Ebola, the lab works with other deadly agents like anthrax and smallpox.

Select agents are defined by the CDC as “biological agents and toxins that have been determined to have the potential to pose a severe threat to public health and safety, to animal and plant health, or to animal or plant products.”

Here are some of the violations the CDC observed during inspections of Fort Detrick that year:

OBSERVATION 1
Severity level: Serious

The CDC reported that an individual partially entered a room multiple times without the required respiratory protection while other people in that room were performing procedures with a non-human primate on a necropsy table.

“This deviation from entity procedures resulted in a respiratory occupational exposure to select agent aerosols,” the CDC wrote.

OBSERVATION 2
Severity level: Serious

The CDC reported that the lab did not ensure that employee training was properly verified when it came to toxins and select agents.

“These failures were recognized through video review of laboratorians’ working in BSL3 and ABSL3 labs,” their report said. “[These] indicate the [lab]’s means used to verify personnel understood the training had not been effective, leading to increased risk of occupational exposures.”

The CDC went on to specify that a laboratorian who was not wearing appropriate respiratory protection was seen multiple times “partially entering” a room where non-human primates that were infected with [redacted] were “housed in open caging.” They also observed a laboratorian disposing of waste in a biohazardous waste bin without gloves on.

OBSERVATION 3
Severity level: Moderate

In this violation observation, the CDC went into more detail on the incident of the worker not wearing gloves while disposing of biohazardous waste, writing that “biosafety and containment procedures must be sufficient to contain the select agent or toxin.”

The corrective action they recommended was to confirm that relevant personnel have been trained to wear gloves to prevent exposure to hazardous materials.

OBSERVATION 4
Severity level: Serious

In this observation, the CDC notes that the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases had “systematically failed to ensure implementation of biosafety and containment procedures commensurate with the risks associated with working with select agents and toxins.”

The violation specifically observed involved “entity personnel [...] propping open” a door while removing “large amounts of biohazardous waste” from an adjacent room, “[increasing] the risk of contaminated air from [the room] escaping and being drawn into the [redacted]” where the people working “typically do not wear respiratory protection.”

OBSERVATION 5
Severity level: Moderate

The CDC reported that the laboratory failed to safeguard against unauthorized access to select against. They wrote that personal protective equipment worn while decontaminating something contaminated by a select agent had been stored in open biohazard bags, in an area of the facility that the CDC has redacted for security reasons.

“By storing regulated waste in this area, the entity did not limit access to those with access approval,” they wrote.

OBSERVATION 6
Severity level: Moderate

The CDC reports that someone at the lab did not maintain an accurate or current inventory for a toxin.

OBSERVATION 7
Severity level: Low

The CDC reports that a building at the Fort Detrick laboratory didn’t have a “sealed surface to facilitate cleaning and decontamination.” This included cracks around a conduit box, cracks in the ceiling, and a crack in the seam above a biological safety cabinet.

https://wjla.com/news/local/cdc-shut-down-army-germ-lab-health-concerns