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Post by kic 21/11/2019, 22:07


voc de point?

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Post by aben 21/11/2019, 22:10

kic wrote:
voc de point?
 u čemu?

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Post by kic 21/11/2019, 22:14


u "eb"
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Post by aben 21/11/2019, 22:18

ko da ti je mativka sestra, bogami

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Post by kic 21/11/2019, 22:21


environment benefitial

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Post by aben 21/11/2019, 22:29

kic wrote:
environment benefitial

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ne razumin o čemu govoriš, 
ovu vijest ni napiso engleski govornik, ki zno ča je un prečito da je coldplay reko. 
ako su rekli da više ne će svirati zbog kadmija u pojačalima, unda to znoči da su se kreativno ispuhali, i pokušavaju zajahati kakovu konjukturu.

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Post by kic 21/11/2019, 22:36

"We're not touring this album," frontman Chris Martin told BBC News.

"We're taking time over the next year or two, to work out how our tour can not only be sustainable [but] how can it be actively beneficial."

"All of us have to work out the best way of doing our job," he continued, saying the band wanted their future tours to "have a positive impact".

"Our next tour will be the best possible version of a tour like that environmentally," Martin said. "We would be disappointed if it's not carbon neutral.

"The hardest thing is the flying side of things. But, for example, our dream is to have a show with no single use plastic, to have it largely solar powered.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-50490700
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Post by aben 21/11/2019, 22:41

kic wrote:"We're not touring this album," frontman Chris Martin told BBC News.

"We're taking time over the next year or two, to work out how our tour can not only be sustainable [but] how can it be actively beneficial."

"All of us have to work out the best way of doing our job," he continued, saying the band wanted their future tours to "have a positive impact".

"Our next tour will be the best possible version of a tour like that environmentally," Martin said. "We would be disappointed if it's not carbon neutral.

"The hardest thing is the flying side of things. But, for example, our dream is to have a show with no single use plastic, to have it largely solar powered.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-50490700

ma, promotivni mumbo jumbo. 

danas sun javno reko da sun human caused climate change denialist.  bogami bi bolje bi prošo da sun reko da volin hitlera:)

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Post by kic 21/11/2019, 22:48


Jacques Ellul: “Up to the 19th century objects were made to last. They were kept as long as possible. When they were no longer of use, being degradable, they could be disposed of without problem. Today we have reversed the situation. Each machine or appliance becomes obsolete in a year, as a much more efficient one replaces it. But the vast number of discarded machines produces a buildup of scrap, which takes a long time to eliminate. Increasingly, indeed, we are making products that cannot be eliminated. This inversion seems to me to be very significant. It shows how technical rhythms are unable to fit in with the rhythms that are natural to us, to the world, and to its possibility of a future. We are now accustomed to recalling that there cannot be infinite growth in a finite world” (The Technological Bluff)
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Post by aben 21/11/2019, 22:59

kic wrote:
Jacques Ellul: “Up to the 19th century objects were made to last. They were kept as long as possible. When they were no longer of use, being degradable, they could be disposed of without problem. Today we have reversed the situation. Each machine or appliance becomes obsolete in a year, as a much more efficient one replaces it. But the vast number of discarded machines produces a buildup of scrap, which takes a long time to eliminate. Increasingly, indeed, we are making products that cannot be eliminated. This inversion seems to me to be very significant. It shows how technical rhythms are unable to fit in with the rhythms that are natural to us, to the world, and to its possibility of a future. We are now accustomed to recalling that there cannot be infinite growth in a finite world” (The Technological Bluff)
ajde, bar ne tvrdi da se proizvodi namjerno pokvoru nakon isteka jamstvenoga roka:)

mislin, naravski da u 19 stoljeću ljudi nisu činili nešto ča se teško eliminiro ka to nisu znali,  zapravo ne morin verovati da se buni protiv more efficient machines.

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Post by kic 21/11/2019, 23:27


jel te debatiraju u zbornici, ima li poziva na dvoboj?
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Post by aben 21/11/2019, 23:45

kic wrote:
jel te debatiraju u zbornici, ima li poziva na dvoboj?

ma kakvi, ni blizu.
zanimljivo in je čuti neke egzotične stavove tipa "jo ne dojen u dobrovoljne svrhe" ili "jo grupirun odvojeni otpad", ali nisu spremni razmisliti o pozadini, svaki iz svog razloga.
stavove ki su autodestruktivni, poput smanjivanja ploće nastavnicima, uopće ne moru procesuirati

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Post by kic 21/11/2019, 23:57


i meni je palo na pamet: prije se nisu ni mogle proizvoditi složene stvari koje bi bilo teško razgraditi, ali dobro..

znači one-liner si :D
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Post by aben 22/11/2019, 00:11

ali by force:)

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Post by Guest 22/11/2019, 00:13

aben wrote:
kic wrote:
plaća vam je 7k?!

privatne firme bi dobile ovlast za certificiranje od koga?
A, svaki drukčije, ako imoš razredništvo, par ioopa...nabroji se i do 9.



Od nikoga. 
To se rodi po ugljedu. Tebe ne zanimo di je ki doktor završi fakultet, bitno ti je  samo u kojoj ustanovi radi.
Airudati.  :^0

Neka tebe liječi takav doktor. Mene bome zanima je li završio faks.  :P
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Post by Guest 22/11/2019, 00:17

aben wrote:
kic wrote:
kako netko postane knjigovođa?
Vjerojatno postoji više načinov, 
ali obično neko ki zno zahtjeve porezne, prenese svoje znanje novopečenom knjigovodji
Dakle, ukinuti državu, ukinuti škole i učiti narodnom predajom...i to uz gusle, lakše se pamti.  :rasta

Abende, ti bi sve probleme svijeta riješio ukidanjem države. Eh da je barem tako. :)
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Post by Guest 22/11/2019, 01:08

mativka wrote:
Ra wrote:Gdje je nestala ekipa s ove teme? 
Mate ostavi jedan ili ni jedan post. Prestala je pitati. 
Noor je na VIP-u i ne zaviruje tu. 
Abend još uvijek štrajka i nema vremena pisati.
Noćno nebo se izgubilo u bespućima svemira...
Megi ima pune ruke posla oko moderiranja.
Orion ionako dođe svake kvatre. 
Metilda, Gnječ i Violator su se odjavili.
Kic se trudi. Ja ga kao nešto pratim.
Sve u svemu.... ništa za prijaviti.
Meni kada nema Abena,
volja i smisao,
izgube značaj.
Meni kada nema Abena,
spavam....
To što Abend znači tebi
to svi znamo već odavno, 
odgovarao ti stalno ne bi,
da mu nije to zabavno.  :D
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Post by aben 22/11/2019, 08:48

Ra wrote:
aben wrote:
kic wrote:
plaća vam je 7k?!

privatne firme bi dobile ovlast za certificiranje od koga?
A, svaki drukčije, ako imoš razredništvo, par ioopa...nabroji se i do 9.



Od nikoga. 
To se rodi po ugljedu. Tebe ne zanimo di je ki doktor završi fakultet, bitno ti je  samo u kojoj ustanovi radi.
Airudati.  :^0

Neka tebe liječi takav doktor. Mene bome zanima je li završio faks.  :P
Viš, tu se stvarno bitno rozlikujemo;
meni je bitno je li zno roditi.

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Post by aben 22/11/2019, 08:48

Ra wrote:
aben wrote:
kic wrote:
kako netko postane knjigovođa?
Vjerojatno postoji više načinov, 
ali obično neko ki zno zahtjeve porezne, prenese svoje znanje novopečenom knjigovodji
Dakle, ukinuti državu, ukinuti škole i učiti narodnom predajom...i to uz gusle, lakše se pamti.  :rasta

Abende, ti bi sve probleme svijeta riješio ukidanjem države. Eh da je barem tako. :)
Pa bolje tako nego ono kako ti želiš; da nas osvoji hitler, pola da nas pobije a s drugon polovicon da vlada ko faraon. I da spoli sve knjige.

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Post by Guest 22/11/2019, 11:07

aben wrote:
Ra wrote:
aben wrote:
kic wrote:
kako netko postane knjigovođa?
Vjerojatno postoji više načinov, 
ali obično neko ki zno zahtjeve porezne, prenese svoje znanje novopečenom knjigovodji
Dakle, ukinuti državu, ukinuti škole i učiti narodnom predajom...i to uz gusle, lakše se pamti.  :rasta

Abende, ti bi sve probleme svijeta riješio ukidanjem države. Eh da je barem tako. :)
Pa bolje tako nego ono kako ti želiš; da nas osvoji hitler, pola da nas pobije a s drugon polovicon da vlada ko faraon. I da spoli sve knjige.
Hahaha, čim ti meni podmetneš Hiću znači da sam ubola u meko tkivo.  :P

Koliko sam shvatila iz razgovora (Kiconja i ti) Ti bi ukinuo državnu školu, ali nisi siguran kako bi ljudi dobili certifikat da rade to što bi trebali kao već znati. Dakle to sa spaljivanjem knjiga je više tvoja ideja. 
Ako nema teoretskog prikupljanja znanja (koje sad imamo u državnim školama) znanje bi se stjecalo isključivo praktičnim putem (neka vrsta šegrtovanja), a teoriju bi po želji sami učili (ako slučajno žele proširiti znanje).
Lako za poreznu i knjigovođe, ali što je s onima o kojima ovise naši životi? 
Kako ćeš provjeriti što uopće zna recimo jedan koji tvrdi da je kirurg (ali nema dokaz o tome), ako mu ne daš da ti to pokaže direktno na nekom živom čovjeku? A što ako je šarlatan i nema uopće pojma o anatomiji tijela, ali se predstavlja kao kirurg? 
Hoćeš li riskirati da se uči na tebi ili tvom djetetu jer se zaposlio preko strica? Ili je otvorio svoju kliniku, pa ono, tko preživi pričati će.  :D

Ili si mislio da bi trebalo otvoriti privatne škole, pa onaj tko već ima novac ima i budućnost, a onaj koji nema neka čkomi i trune na nekoj baušteli ili u vinogradu?
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Post by aben 22/11/2019, 11:33

Ne zun ča točno znoči ubosti u meko tkivo, to je  balkanski izraz za straw man?

Ukidanje državnih skula dovodiš u vezu is spaljivanjen knjig? Ki ti je reko da nemo teoretskog prikupljanja znanja, jel to zbog toga ča ne postoji skupljanje teorijskog znanka ako ne postoju državne skule?

Ne zun kako bi ti ovo reko a da te ne prestrašin, ali sa se na  našoj dici uču oni ki su se zaposlili preko strica, u slučaju ki jo predložin to ne bi bilo moguće.

Da, privatne skule, privatne  bolnice, privatne ustanove za certificiranje.
Un ki imo šoldov svakako imo i budućnost. Un ki nemo, tribo naporno roditi da si to omogući za svoje unuke. Dica  mu isto tribaju naporno roditi. To je  priroda stvarnosti koju ni moguće nadmudriti socijalističkom preraspodjelom.

Uglovnomu, postavljaš bespredmetna pitanja, njanci na razini prepoznavanja. Mi se takovima rugomo memovima poput "who will build the roads". 
Da bi mentalno obuhvatila ovakove radikalne ideje tribala bi malo zagrebsti dublje.


E da, oni o kima naši životi ovisu?  Tipa, hdzeovci?

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