Najveći prosvjed protiv TTIP-a do sada u Berlinu

Riplex wrote:

r_nevjesta wrote:

Riplex wrote:Ako mađari kažu, onda je sigurno istina

Haha pa nemoj ga, on je ipak Mađar, krv nije voda  '91. su nam preskupo prodali viškove municije i AK-47, kao i Slovenci, Austrijanci i još neki, a ovi tu im odmah podignuli spomenik i proglasili ih humanitarcima

Ma to su laži i obmane. Hrvati su glupi balkanci, a to je fina gospoda. Tako kažu, ne valjamo kad popuštamo ne valjamo kad udaramo u kost. E pa onda udri

hahaha majkomila zbog spina udaraš u kost samo koju? pileću i plećkicu od veprića?

asilovski wrote:

Riplex wrote:Opet ovaj super tajni sporazum, ali svi o njenu znaju sve

pa ne znaju sve, a kako bi i znali kad ima na destke tiusća strana, a EU parlamentarcima je dozvoljen samo djelomični uvid

Što je onda loš? Samo neka se trguje...još da mi je gmo sjeme...

U svakom slučaju TTIP je najgora noćna mora za EU

NIKAKO i nikada to ne triba prihvatiti.

 Mačim se pregovori vode u tajnosti, daleko od očiju

 javnosti........to je mućka i loše za sve nas u Europi.

asilovski wrote:

Riplex wrote:

r_nevjesta wrote:

Riplex wrote:Ako mađari kažu, onda je sigurno istina

Haha pa nemoj ga, on je ipak Mađar, krv nije voda  '91. su nam preskupo prodali viškove municije i AK-47, kao i Slovenci, Austrijanci i još neki, a ovi tu im odmah podignuli spomenik i proglasili ih humanitarcima

Ma to su laži i obmane. Hrvati su glupi balkanci, a to je fina gospoda. Tako kažu, ne valjamo kad popuštamo ne valjamo kad udaramo u kost. E pa onda udri

hahaha majkomila zbog spina udaraš u kost samo koju? pileću i plećkicu od veprića?

Koja ti je draža? Jbg ti si odan domovini Mađarskoj, nemaš se što stidit toga

Riplex wrote:

asilovski wrote:

Riplex wrote:Opet ovaj super tajni sporazum, ali svi o njenu znaju sve

pa ne znaju sve, a kako bi i znali kad ima na destke tiusća strana, a EU parlamentarcima je dozvoljen samo djelomični uvid

Što je onda loš? Samo neka se trguje...još da mi je gmo sjeme...

hahaha samo nek se trguje biće Hrvatima trgovine kad ih nafilijuju emigrantima, ali no ti udaraš u kosku

Yehudi wrote:U svakom slučaju TTIP je najgora noćna mora za EU

NIKAKO i nikada to ne triba prihvatiti.

 Mačim se pregovori vode u tajnosti, daleko od očiju

 javnosti........to je mućka i loše za sve nas u Europi.

Ma da...poznato je da mase odluče dobro.

Ti bi ko žid tribo to razumit.

Yehudi wrote:U svakom slučaju TTIP je najgora noćna mora za EU

NIKAKO i nikada to ne triba prihvatiti.

 Mačim se pregovori vode u tajnosti, daleko od očiju

 javnosti........to je mućka i loše za sve nas u Europi.

Za vecinu ljudi koji rade to znaci spustanje vrijednosti rada,isplata u brutu,povecavanje poreza na bruto lovu,povecavanje zrravstvenogh,smanjivanje radnickih prava zagarantiranih zakonom,etc,etc..

Riplex wrote:

asilovski wrote:

Riplex wrote:

r_nevjesta wrote:

Riplex wrote:Ako mađari kažu, onda je sigurno istina

Haha pa nemoj ga, on je ipak Mađar, krv nije voda  '91. su nam preskupo prodali viškove municije i AK-47, kao i Slovenci, Austrijanci i još neki, a ovi tu im odmah podignuli spomenik i proglasili ih humanitarcima

Ma to su laži i obmane. Hrvati su glupi balkanci, a to je fina gospoda. Tako kažu, ne valjamo kad popuštamo ne valjamo kad udaramo u kost. E pa onda udri

hahaha majkomila zbog spina udaraš u kost samo koju? pileću i plećkicu od veprića?

Koja ti je draža? Jbg ti si odan domovini Mađarskoj, nemaš se što stidit toga

hahaha koska pa odi do groblja u Laslovo ili Hrastin pa ćeš vidjeti šta mi je draže ili kome sam odan, ali no nedaj se smesti samo glođi zokinu kosku

asilovski wrote:

Riplex wrote:

asilovski wrote:

Riplex wrote:Opet ovaj super tajni sporazum, ali svi o njenu znaju sve

pa ne znaju sve, a kako bi i znali kad ima na destke tiusća strana, a EU parlamentarcima je dozvoljen samo djelomični uvid

Što je onda loš? Samo neka se trguje...još da mi je gmo sjeme...

hahaha samo nek se trguje biće Hrvatima trgovine kad ih nafilijuju emigrantima, ali no ti udaraš u kosku

Teško da će kod mene u planine...zaobilaze kamenjar, a nisu ni ljudi druželjubljivi sa strancima.

A vidim u Budimpešti su ovi tamniji normala

[size=48]What is TTIP? And six reasons why the answer should scare you[/size]
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership is a series of trade negotiations being carried out mostly in secret between the EU and US. As a bi-lateral trade agreement, TTIP is about reducing the regulatory barriers to trade for big business, things like food safety law, environmental legislation, banking regulations and the sovereign powers of individual nations. It is, as John Hilary, Executive Director of campaign group War on Want, said: “An assault on European and US societies by transnational corporations.”
Since before TTIP negotiations began last February, the process has been secretive and undemocratic. This secrecy is on-going, with nearly all information on negotiations coming from leaked documents and Freedom of Information requests.
But worryingly, the covert nature of the talks may well be the least of our problems. Here are six other reasons why we should be scared of TTIP, very scared indeed:
1 The NHS
Public services, especially the NHS, are in the firing line. One of the main aims of TTIP is to open up Europe’s public health, education and water services to US companies. This could essentially mean the privatisation of the NHS.
The European Commission has claimed that public services will be kept out of TTIP. However, according to the Huffington Post, the UK Trade Minister Lord Livingston has admitted that talks about the NHS were still on the table.
2 Food and environmental safety
TTIP’s ‘regulatory convergence’ agenda will seek to bring EU standards on food safety and the environment closer to those of the US. But US regulations are much less strict, with 70 per cent of all processed foods sold in US supermarkets now containing genetically modified ingredients. By contrast, the EU allows virtually no GM foods. The US also has far laxer restrictions on the use of pesticides. It also uses growth hormones in its beef which are restricted in Europe due to links to cancer. US farmers have tried to have these restrictions lifted repeatedly in the past through the World Trade Organisation and it is likely that they will use TTIP to do so again.
The same goes for the environment, where the EU’s REACH regulations are far tougher on potentially toxic substances. In Europe a company has to prove a substance is safe before it can be used; in the US the opposite is true: any substance can be used until it is proven unsafe. As an example, the EU currently bans 1,200 substances from use in cosmetics; the US just 12.
3 Banking regulations
TTIP cuts both ways. The UK, under the influence of the all-powerful City of London, is thought to be seeking a loosening of US banking regulations. America’s financial rules are tougher than ours. They were put into place after the financial crisis to directly curb the powers of bankers and avoid a similar crisis happening again. TTIP, it is feared, will remove those restrictions, effectively handing all those powers back to the bankers.
4 Privacy
Remember ACTA (the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement)? It was thrown out by a massive majority in the European Parliament in 2012 after a huge public backlash against what was rightly seen as an attack on individual privacy where internet service providers would be required to monitor people’s online activity.  Well, it’s feared that TTIP could be bringing back ACTA’s central elements, proving that if the democratic approach doesn’t work, there’s always the back door. An easing of data privacy laws and a restriction of public access to pharmaceutical companies’ clinical trials are also thought to be on the cards.
5 Jobs
The EU has admitted that TTIP will probably cause unemployment as jobs switch to the US, where labour standards and trade union rights are lower. It has even advised EU members to draw on European support funds to compensate for the expected unemployment.
Examples from other similar bi-lateral trade agreements around the world support the case for job losses.  The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) between the US, Canada and Mexico caused the loss of one million US jobs over 12 years, instead of the hundreds of thousands of extra that were promised.
6 Democracy
TTIP’s biggest threat to society is its inherent assault on democracy. One of the main aims of TTIP is the introduction of Investor-State Dispute Settlements (ISDS), which allow companies to sue governments if those governments’ policies cause a loss of profits. In effect it means unelected transnational corporations can dictate the policies of democratically elected governments.
ISDSs are already in place in other bi-lateral trade agreements around the world and have led to such injustices as in Germany where Swedish energy company Vattenfall is suing the German government for billions of dollars over its decision to phase out nuclear power plants in the wake of the Fukushima disaster in Japan. Here we see a public health policy put into place by a democratically elected government being threatened by an energy giant because of a potential loss of profit. Nothing could be more cynically anti-democratic.
There are around 500 similar cases of businesses versus nations going on around the world at the moment and they are all taking place before ‘arbitration tribunals’ made up of corporate lawyers appointed on an ad hoc basis, which according to War on Want’s John Hilary, are “little more than kangaroo courts” with “a vested interest in ruling in favour of business.”
So I don’t know about you, but I’m scared. I would vote against TTIP, except… hang on a minute… I can’t. Like you, I have no say whatsoever in whether TTIP goes through or not.  All I can do is tell as many people about it as possible, as I hope, will you. We may be forced to accept an attack on democracy but we can at least fight against the conspiracy of silence.

Čim je sadržaj ugovora i aneksa tajan,čim ju dogovoraju odbori a ne izabrani predstavnici i čim o tome neće odlučivati građani stvar je jasna ko dan, ali no nek se trguje...

asilovski wrote:

Riplex wrote:

asilovski wrote:

Riplex wrote:

r_nevjesta wrote:

Riplex wrote:Ako mađari kažu, onda je sigurno istina

Haha pa nemoj ga, on je ipak Mađar, krv nije voda  '91. su nam preskupo prodali viškove municije i AK-47, kao i Slovenci, Austrijanci i još neki, a ovi tu im odmah podignuli spomenik i proglasili ih humanitarcima

Ma to su laži i obmane. Hrvati su glupi balkanci, a to je fina gospoda. Tako kažu, ne valjamo kad popuštamo ne valjamo kad udaramo u kost. E pa onda udri

hahaha majkomila zbog spina udaraš u kost samo koju? pileću i plećkicu od veprića?

Koja ti je draža? Jbg ti si odan domovini Mađarskoj, nemaš se što stidit toga

hahaha koska pa odi do groblja u Laslovo ili Hrastin pa ćeš vidjeti šta mi je draže ili kome sam odan, ali no nedaj se smesti samo glođi zokinu kosku

Ne sekiraj se, mene izbori neće vidit, jer se protiv tim politikama u srži. Ali ću uzet zoku prije zečine uvik

asilovski wrote:Čim je sadržaj ugovora i aneksa tajan,čim ju dogovoraju odbori a ne izabrani predstavnici i čim o tome neće odlučivati građani stvar je jasna ko dan, ali no nek se trguje...

More bit, ali pola ovi članaka o sporazumu je 'rekla kazala'

Riplex wrote:

asilovski wrote:Čim je sadržaj ugovora i aneksa tajan,čim ju dogovoraju odbori a ne izabrani predstavnici i čim o tome neće odlučivati građani stvar je jasna ko dan, ali no nek se trguje...

More bit, ali pola ovi članaka o sporazumu je 'rekla kazala'

Nije to rekla kazala, već to piše čak na Wikipediji, službenim stranicama EU samo tamo negativnosti pretvaraju u nešto dobro, jednostavno TTIP ima ulogu da SAD-e ostane supersila na uštrp EU-a, da se EU rasformira i kad bude vrijeme stupi u konfederaciju sa SAD-om sa vodstvom SAD-a, sukob u Ukrajini i masovna emigracija je sve dio istog slijeda i plana, slabljenja Evrope, odvajanja od Rusije i tranformacije iste, ali no to su teorije zavjere...

Nije to teorija urote već upravo taj plan nastoje progurati Ameri.

Pa člancima su fraze...možda, moglo bi, strahuje se...
A nije gotovo dok nije gotovo. Teorije urote ili ne

Riplex wrote:Pa člancima su fraze...možda, moglo bi, strahuje se...
A nije gotovo dok nije gotovo. Teorije urote ili ne

Članci sve određuju i kad se potpišu moraju se poštovati, ako se ne poštuju postoje kaznene i ine odredbe naknade štete putem američkih kvazi arbitražnih sudišta

asilovski wrote:

Riplex wrote:Pa člancima su fraze...možda, moglo bi, strahuje se...
A nije gotovo dok nije gotovo. Teorije urote ili ne

Članci sve određuju i kad se potpišu moraju se poštovati, ako se ne poštuju postoje kaznene i ine odredbe naknade štete putem američkih kvazi arbitražnih sudišta

Mislio sam na natpise u novinama i netu. Naravno da se moraju poštivati kada se potpišu. 
Što će se potpisati na kraju, to tek triba vidit..., ali nisu elite i korporacije u Europi retardirane.

Riplex wrote:

asilovski wrote:

Riplex wrote:Pa člancima su fraze...možda, moglo bi, strahuje se...
A nije gotovo dok nije gotovo. Teorije urote ili ne

Članci sve određuju i kad se potpišu moraju se poštovati, ako se ne poštuju postoje kaznene i ine odredbe naknade štete putem američkih kvazi arbitražnih sudišta

Mislio sam na natpise u novinama i netu. Naravno da se moraju poštivati kada se potpišu. 
Što će se potpisati na kraju, to tek triba vidit..., ali nisu elite i korporacije u Europi retardirane.

Natpisi u novinama su širok pojam, kod nas većina medija podržava sve što govori SAD-e ili EU komisija tako da u biti medija nema, na zapadu postoji određeni pluralitet, objetkivnost i analiza, ali u svakom slučaju prepuštanjesuđenja u trgovačkim sporovima sa američkim tvrtkama američkoj arbitraži, odnosno derogiranje europskih sudova u kosti stranih je sasvim nepovoljna odredba za Evropu, tu EU nema šanse pogotovo jer će takve odredbe biti toliko iskorištene da će eu tvrtke i vlade biti u katastroflanoj poziciji, a to je samo jedna od nekoliko desetaka loših odredbi