Kina je odlučila ubiti petrodolar i počinje sutra
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epikur37 wrote:Ovako može, ja se kladim da hoće.Pinochet wrote:evo ja bacam okladu da se ništa neće dogoditi ,
Neće se dogoditi ništa velikog, kina nema vojnu moć, utjecaj amerike potječe iz pobjede u dva svjetska rata
isto tako kina nikad nije imala kulturni utjecaj na zapad, jer nije dio zapadne civilizacie, SAD jesu.
no moglo bi doći do poačanih tenzija između Turske, Japana, Kine s jedne strane - svi će oni izazvati američku kontrolu nad svjetskim morima jer svi sve više ovise o trgovini morem - i sad
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Trgovački rat je tu da bi svatko imak što bolju poziciju prije pregovora, jedino i više me brine izbor notornog luđaka Boltona za savjetnik to može završiti velikim ratom...
Kermit-
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Kini se nije isplatilo uništavati dolar jer su im dolari koje imaju u svom posjedu donosili više koristi nego što je šteta koju su im uzrokovali Ameri svojim trgovinskim smicalicama.
Možda im se više ne isplati.
Možda im se više ne isplati.
crvenkasti-
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Pinochet wrote:bacanje osobnih poštapalica ti nema smisla.
Pa čisto duhovitosti radi.
yoda wrote:
nije vam prvi put da ste citirali logično.com i advance.hr analize, mene i dalje zanima kako će točno američka propasti ako još par zemalja prestane koristi dolar za naftu. nigdje na internetu nisam naša objašnjenje, a naravno niti ti ga nemaš. što se tiče američkog stoljeća ili kineskog stoljeća iskreno, niti jedno niti drugo me ne zanima, mi imamo bosansko.vlaško stoljeće koje će nas dokrajčiti na pola puta
Zašto ne logicno ili advance ili u ostalom bilo što.....
Nitko nije rekao da će SAD propasti ali da, izgubit će poziciju hegemona, odnosno neće više vladati svijetom i nametati mu svoja prabila.
I to je ok.
epikur37- Posts : 45339
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pa to je druga stvar. kineski PPP BDP je već prešao Američki još prošle godine, ali na žalost /radost, ovdje u RH , nikada nećeš imati Kineski utjecaj. Američki, Njemački da(u Europi je Njemački utjecaj puno jači nego Američki) , ali Kineski nikako, Ruski i Turski manje.
Bez obzira koliki bio kineski BDP
Bez obzira koliki bio kineski BDP
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Pinochet wrote:pa to je druga stvar. kineski PPP BDP je već prešao Američki još prošle godine, ali na žalost /radost, ovdje u RH , nikada nećeš imati Kineski utjecaj. Američki, Njemački da(u Europi je Njemački utjecaj puno jači nego Američki) , ali Kineski nikako, Ruski i Turski manje.
Bez obzira koliki bio kineski BDP
Pa i ne očekujem za ovdje. Svejedno važne su promjene na globalnom nivou i ovo je dobro.
epikur37- Posts : 45339
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pa i meni je draže multipolarno društvo nego hegemon. bolje kapitalizam i konkurencija, nego monopol i socijalizam, isto vrijedi i u međunarodnim odnosima
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Pinochet wrote:pa i meni je draže multipolarno društvo nego hegemon. bolje kapitalizam i konkurencija, nego monopol i socijalizam, isto vrijedi i u međunarodnim odnosima
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epikur37- Posts : 45339
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Utjecaj amerike je u zadnjih 10 godina drastično opao a ne od I ili II sv.rata, da se stvari mijenjaju i to drastično mijenjaju se ali da će SAD-e propasti u bilo kojem obliku sigurno ne slijdećih 10-15 godina. Jedino je sigurno da SAD-e gubi strahovito primat u geopolitici kao jedine supersile to vrijeme je sigurno iza nas a što se dobro vidi u Iraku, Siriji ili na slučaju Rusije ili Kine...marcellus wrote:epikur37 wrote:Ovako može, ja se kladim da hoće.Pinochet wrote:evo ja bacam okladu da se ništa neće dogoditi ,
Neće se dogoditi ništa velikog, kina nema vojnu moć, utjecaj amerike potječe iz pobjede u dva svjetska rata
isto tako kina nikad nije imala kulturni utjecaj na zapad, jer nije dio zapadne civilizacie, SAD jesu.
no moglo bi doći do poačanih tenzija između Turske, Japana, Kine s jedne strane - svi će oni izazvati američku kontrolu nad svjetskim morima jer svi sve više ovise o trgovini morem - i sad
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Zanimljiva analiza:
After all the preparation, all the expectation, cheerleading and doomsaying, China's Yuan-denominated crude oil futures contract began trading tonight and appears to be off a good start with well over 10 billion yuan notional traded within the first hour.
So far it has tracked WTI futures well, trading at around a $2 premium to WTI (when translated from yuan to USD)...
Additionally, well over 23,000 contracts have traded within the first hour for a notional trading volume of over 10 billion yuan - more than $1.5 billion notional... signaling significant demand.
Offshore Yuan is moving in sync with 'Petroyuan' futures - as WTI tends to track the USD.
As we most recently noted, after numerous "false starts" over the last decade, the “petroyuan” is now real and China will set out to challenge the “petrodollar” for dominance. Adam Levinson, managing partner and chief investment officer at hedge fund manager Graticule Asset Management Asia (GAMA), already warned last year that China launching a yuan-denominated oil futures contract will shock those investors who have not been paying attention.
This could be a death blow for an already weakening U.S. dollar, and the rise of the yuan as the dominant world currency.
But this isn’t just some slow, news day “fad” that will fizzle in a few days.
Iran followed suit the same year, using the yuan with a host of other foreign currencies in trade, including Iranian oil.
During the same year China also developed its Silk Road, while the yuan was beginning to establish more dominance in the European markets.
But the U.S. petrodollar still had a fighting chance in 2015 because China’s oil imports were all over the place. Back then, Nick Cunningham of OilPrice.com wrote…
It looks like that time has come…
A death blow that began in 2015 hit again in 2017 when China became the world’s largest consumer of imported crude…
Now that China is the world’s leading consumer of oil, Beijing can exert some real leverage over Saudi Arabia to pay for crude in yuan. It’s suspected that this is what’s motivating Chinese officials to make a full-fledged effort to renegotiate their trade deal.
So fast-forward to now, and the final blow to the petrodollar could happen starting today. We hinted at this possibility back in September 2017…
Soon after, we could see more and more nations jump on the bandwagon, resulting in a substantial rise in gold prices.
After all the preparation, all the expectation, cheerleading and doomsaying, China's Yuan-denominated crude oil futures contract began trading tonight and appears to be off a good start with well over 10 billion yuan notional traded within the first hour.
So far it has tracked WTI futures well, trading at around a $2 premium to WTI (when translated from yuan to USD)...
Additionally, well over 23,000 contracts have traded within the first hour for a notional trading volume of over 10 billion yuan - more than $1.5 billion notional... signaling significant demand.
Offshore Yuan is moving in sync with 'Petroyuan' futures - as WTI tends to track the USD.
As we most recently noted, after numerous "false starts" over the last decade, the “petroyuan” is now real and China will set out to challenge the “petrodollar” for dominance. Adam Levinson, managing partner and chief investment officer at hedge fund manager Graticule Asset Management Asia (GAMA), already warned last year that China launching a yuan-denominated oil futures contract will shock those investors who have not been paying attention.
This could be a death blow for an already weakening U.S. dollar, and the rise of the yuan as the dominant world currency.
But this isn’t just some slow, news day “fad” that will fizzle in a few days.
A Warning for Investors Since 2015
Back in 2015, the first of a number of strikes against the petrodollar was dealt by China. Gazprom Neft, the third-largest oil producer in Russia, decided to move away from the dollar and towards the yuan and other Asian currencies.Iran followed suit the same year, using the yuan with a host of other foreign currencies in trade, including Iranian oil.
During the same year China also developed its Silk Road, while the yuan was beginning to establish more dominance in the European markets.
But the U.S. petrodollar still had a fighting chance in 2015 because China’s oil imports were all over the place. Back then, Nick Cunningham of OilPrice.com wrote…
That problem has since gone away, signaling China’s rise to oil dominance…Despite accounting for much of the world’s growth in demand in the 21st Century, China’s oil imports have been all over the map in recent months. In April, China imported 7.4 million barrels per day, a record high and enough to make it the world’s largest oil importer. But a month later, imports plummeted to just 5.5 million barrels per day.
The Slippery Slope to the Petroyuan Begins Here
The petrodollar is backed by Treasuries, so it can help fuel U.S. deficit spending. Take that away, and the U.S. is in trouble.It looks like that time has come…
A death blow that began in 2015 hit again in 2017 when China became the world’s largest consumer of imported crude…
Now that China is the world’s leading consumer of oil, Beijing can exert some real leverage over Saudi Arabia to pay for crude in yuan. It’s suspected that this is what’s motivating Chinese officials to make a full-fledged effort to renegotiate their trade deal.
So fast-forward to now, and the final blow to the petrodollar could happen starting today. We hinted at this possibility back in September 2017…
Once the oil markets are upended, the yuan has an opportunity to become the dominant world currency overall. This will further weaken the dollar.With major oil exporters finally having a viable way to circumvent the petrodollar system, the U.S. economy could soon encounter severely troubled waters.
First of all, the dollar’s value depends massively on its use as an oil trade vehicle. When that goes away, we will likely see a strong and steady decline in the dollar’s value.
The Petrodollar’s Downfall Could be a Lift for Gold
Amongst all the trouble ahead for the dollar, there are some good news too. The U.S. might have ditched the gold standard in the 1970’s, but with gold making a return to world headlines… we could see a resurgence.A reintroduction of gold to the global economy could result in a notable rise in gold prices. It’s safe to assume exporters are more likely to choose a gold-backed financial instrument over one created out of thin air any day of the week.For the first time since our nation abandoned the gold standard decades ago, physical gold is being reintroduced to the global monetary system in a major way. That alone is incredibly good news for gold owners.
Soon after, we could see more and more nations jump on the bandwagon, resulting in a substantial rise in gold prices.
Kermit-
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Po meni, ponavljam dolazak notornog idiot Boltona za savjetnika Trumpu je daleko najgore:
Kermit-
Posts : 26479
2014-04-17
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Russian assault on 'American idea' enables Trump to take tough action
BY JOHN BOLTON
http://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/374489-russian-assault-on-american-idea-enables-trump-to-take-tough-action
BY JOHN BOLTON
http://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/374489-russian-assault-on-american-idea-enables-trump-to-take-tough-action
Kermit-
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Trumpika polako shvaća da ako želi biti tamo gdje jest do kraja mandata mora raditi kako kaže deep state
Kermit-
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2014-04-17
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kurac od ovce. kina, kakva god sada bila, u ovom trenutku ne može se mjeriti s amerikom.
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Re: Kina je odlučila ubiti petrodolar i počinje sutra
epikur37 wrote:Pinochet wrote:bacanje osobnih poštapalica ti nema smisla.
Pa čisto duhovitosti radi.yoda wrote:
nije vam prvi put da ste citirali logično.com i advance.hr analize, mene i dalje zanima kako će točno američka propasti ako još par zemalja prestane koristi dolar za naftu. nigdje na internetu nisam naša objašnjenje, a naravno niti ti ga nemaš. što se tiče američkog stoljeća ili kineskog stoljeća iskreno, niti jedno niti drugo me ne zanima, mi imamo bosansko.vlaško stoljeće koje će nas dokrajčiti na pola puta
Zašto ne logicno ili advance ili u ostalom bilo što.....
Nitko nije rekao da će SAD propasti ali da, izgubit će poziciju hegemona, odnosno neće više vladati svijetom i nametati mu svoja prabila.
I to je ok.
ulogu hegemona joj je omogućila ekonomska i vojna moć. kad rusija ili kina budu barem blizu te snage koju imaju SAD onda ćemo vidjeti. za sada .... uz dužno poštovanje prema rusima i čajnezima .... neće ići.
Kavran- Posts : 2669
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Ništa ne razumijem.
crvenkasti-
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kina ima ekonomsku moć, ali vojna moć i kine i rusije zajedno nije spremna da se suprostavi americi - barem na područjuz avijacije i mornarice(ponavljam USA ima više nosača aviona uz prateću flotu nego ostatak svijeta zajedno - rusija i kina imaju po jedan nosač). da bi kina tu bila prijetnja americi mora imati 5-10nosača aviona sa pratećom flotom. to je što se tiče vojne moći. što se tiče , područja utjecaja, nekako ameri ipak utječju na cijeli svijet i dalje. pa evo u crnom vijetnamu amerikanci sklapaju savez sa vijetnamom, sa prvim kineskim susjedom amerika ima jači utjecaj nego kina.Kavran wrote:epikur37 wrote:Pinochet wrote:bacanje osobnih poštapalica ti nema smisla.
Pa čisto duhovitosti radi.yoda wrote:
nije vam prvi put da ste citirali logično.com i advance.hr analize, mene i dalje zanima kako će točno američka propasti ako još par zemalja prestane koristi dolar za naftu. nigdje na internetu nisam naša objašnjenje, a naravno niti ti ga nemaš. što se tiče američkog stoljeća ili kineskog stoljeća iskreno, niti jedno niti drugo me ne zanima, mi imamo bosansko.vlaško stoljeće koje će nas dokrajčiti na pola puta
Zašto ne logicno ili advance ili u ostalom bilo što.....
Nitko nije rekao da će SAD propasti ali da, izgubit će poziciju hegemona, odnosno neće više vladati svijetom i nametati mu svoja prabila.
I to je ok.
ulogu hegemona joj je omogućila ekonomska i vojna moć. kad rusija ili kina budu barem blizu te snage koju imaju SAD onda ćemo vidjeti. za sada .... uz dužno poštovanje prema rusima i čajnezima .... neće ići.
usput počela je ova trgovina nafta za yuan.. gledajte šta će se desiti.. dollar može malo oslabiti, i to je to. nikakva propast dolara i nikakva propast amerike. gledam, pola interneta, sada spama "amerika gotova, dollar gotov". moraš svakome objašnjavati da to neide tako, onda te još ekipa i vrijeđa.. eto za mjesec dana gledajte koliko je propala amerika i dollar..
iako moguće je kratkoročno slabljene USA standarda.. neka krene do devalvacije dolara, američka centralna banka će biti prisiljena dignuti kamatne stope, a dizanje kamatnih stopa će oslabiti američke burze i američku ekonomiju, i možda usporiti ekonomski rast za 0. nešto %. eto to je sve.
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Jučer je danas bilo sutra.
crvenkasti-
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Ovdje sve piše, a meni se ne da čitat.
http://www.atimes.com/article/china-plans-break-petrodollar-stranglehold/
Gnječ, daj ti pročitaj, ti znaš engleski, pa nam napiši u par rečenica što je najvažnije.
http://www.atimes.com/article/china-plans-break-petrodollar-stranglehold/
Gnječ, daj ti pročitaj, ti znaš engleski, pa nam napiši u par rečenica što je najvažnije.
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Ima i ovo:
http://geab.eu/en/western-systemic-crisis-2017-2019-the-almighty-dollar-against-the-great-petro-yuan-temptation-geab-eu/
The dollar will not disappear at the end of the year, certainly. But it is a matter of trend, and several big countries are going to rush on the petro-Yuans: Russia, Iran, Venezuela to start with, besides China. Practically, the dollar will lose value and trigger a leak out of a dollar-system which everyone knows as based on weak fundamentals. The likely massive return of dollars to the United States will cause inflation[16]. And we are entering the mined territory of the debate on the virtues and/or dangers of inflation on the US’ debt, a debate this article is not intended to enter. We know, though, that it exists and therefore some parts of the US governance system (beginning with the current president) may be in favour of a weaker dollar.
In short, there are those who insist on the perpetuation of the indebtedness system, which allows to continue to finance oneself even if one does not have the means to do so (the army, nurtured by public funds, is probably on this side) and those who are in favour of reducing the debt burden (real economy). If inflation is a means of reducing debt, which satisfies the latter, it also discredits the mechanism of indebtedness which is unsuitable for the former.
http://geab.eu/en/western-systemic-crisis-2017-2019-the-almighty-dollar-against-the-great-petro-yuan-temptation-geab-eu/
The dollar will not disappear at the end of the year, certainly. But it is a matter of trend, and several big countries are going to rush on the petro-Yuans: Russia, Iran, Venezuela to start with, besides China. Practically, the dollar will lose value and trigger a leak out of a dollar-system which everyone knows as based on weak fundamentals. The likely massive return of dollars to the United States will cause inflation[16]. And we are entering the mined territory of the debate on the virtues and/or dangers of inflation on the US’ debt, a debate this article is not intended to enter. We know, though, that it exists and therefore some parts of the US governance system (beginning with the current president) may be in favour of a weaker dollar.
In short, there are those who insist on the perpetuation of the indebtedness system, which allows to continue to finance oneself even if one does not have the means to do so (the army, nurtured by public funds, is probably on this side) and those who are in favour of reducing the debt burden (real economy). If inflation is a means of reducing debt, which satisfies the latter, it also discredits the mechanism of indebtedness which is unsuitable for the former.
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2014-04-17
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Sjeverna i Južna Amerika, Australija i Oceanija, Subsaharska Afrika, Europa, čak i pravoslavne zemlje, Filipini,Koreja ,Japan, čak i Indija..sve to kulturno naginje ka Americi, što kroz kršćanstvo,način života, pravni sustav, izbornu demokraciju, latinicu, kalendar...a founding fathers svih gore spomenutih zemlja su Zapadnjaci.Dovoljno je vidjeti kakva utjecaj ima Franačka i Rim u današnjoj Europi kao founding father svih europskih zemalja.Pinochet wrote:pa to je druga stvar. kineski PPP BDP je već prešao Američki još prošle godine, ali na žalost /radost, ovdje u RH , nikada nećeš imati Kineski utjecaj. Američki, Njemački da(u Europi je Njemački utjecaj puno jači nego Američki) , ali Kineski nikako, Ruski i Turski manje.
Bez obzira koliki bio kineski BDP
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