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Ameri srušili avion sirijske vojske
https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/americki-borbeni-mlaznjak-srusio-sirijski-su-22-1177476
shit hits the fan
shit hits the fan
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marcellus- Posts : 46005
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Re: Ameri srušili avion sirijske vojske
i to kad je napadao kolonu ISIL-amarcellus wrote:https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/americki-borbeni-mlaznjak-srusio-sirijski-su-22-1177476
shit hits the fan
Kermit-
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2014-04-17
Re: Ameri srušili avion sirijske vojske
Vrlo vjerojatno postoji tajni dogovor o kojem su židi pisali, a to da se ISIL povuče a da umjesto njih dođu umjereni kanibali iKurdi i tako presjeku liniju Damask-Bagdad, samo tu liniju hoće i Irak a ne samo Assad i ameri moraju biti spremni na otvorni rat sa maltene svima
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asilovski wrote:Vrlo vjerojatno postoji tajni dogovor o kojem su židi pisali, a to da se ISIL povuče a da umjesto njih dođu umjereni kanibali iKurdi i tako presjeku liniju Damask-Bagdad, samo tu liniju hoće i Irak a ne samo Assad i ameri moraju biti spremni na otvorni rat sa maltene svima
Ima još jedan scenarij iz istih izvora po kojem treba ostaviti neki oblik ISIL-a kako bi se tako navodno privlačilo islamske ekstremiste iz cijelog svijeta u tu paradržavni tvorevinu da se tamo bore i ostave svoje kosti jer ih je tako navodno puno lakše eliminirati nego loviti po zapadu gdje su se sad raširili poput ambrozije.
Meni se taj čini vjerojatnijim od ovog koji si ti naveo zato jer će to Amere prije ili kasnije dovesti u sukob doslovce sa svima na terenu, osim sa Kurdima kao njihovim najlojalnijim saveznicima.
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Re: Ameri srušili avion sirijske vojske
Rusi rekli jebat mater Amerima ak još jednom prismrde krivoj strani Eufrata.
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AlfaOmega- Posts : 10385
2015-09-11
Re: Ameri srušili avion sirijske vojske
stavio sam ga kao temu, međutim sada je to po meni nebitno već osvajanje teritorija koji drži ISIL i držanje pozicija za buduće pregovore. nešto kao 1945-ta, što se tiče Amera više je analitičara navelo da ova sadašnja politika zapravo vodi amere u sukob sa svima koji ne mogu dobitislidingdoorsoperator wrote:asilovski wrote:Vrlo vjerojatno postoji tajni dogovor o kojem su židi pisali, a to da se ISIL povuče a da umjesto njih dođu umjereni kanibali iKurdi i tako presjeku liniju Damask-Bagdad, samo tu liniju hoće i Irak a ne samo Assad i ameri moraju biti spremni na otvorni rat sa maltene svima
Ima još jedan scenarij iz istih izvora po kojem treba ostaviti neki oblik ISIL-a kako bi se tako navodno privlačilo islamske ekstremiste iz cijelog svijeta u tu paradržavni tvorevinu da se tamo bore i ostave svoje kosti jer ih je tako navodno puno lakše eliminirati nego loviti po zapadu gdje su se sad raširili poput ambrozije.
Meni se taj čini vjerojatnijim od ovog koji si ti naveo zato jer će to Amere prije ili kasnije dovesti u sukob doslovce sa svima na terenu, osim sa Kurdima kao njihovim najlojalnijim saveznicima.
Kermit-
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Re: Ameri srušili avion sirijske vojske
SAA je oslobodila Rusafu i stekla uvjete da osigura prometnicu prema Der Zoru, a Ameri i njihovi pusikarajani nek se jebu polako.
Kurdi su stavrno razocaranje. Ovo im nije trebalo i platiti ce cijenu za ovo.
Kurdi su stavrno razocaranje. Ovo im nije trebalo i platiti ce cijenu za ovo.
Ringo10- Posts : 21667
2015-09-24
Re: Ameri srušili avion sirijske vojske
asilovski wrote:stavio sam ga kao temu, međutim sada je to po meni nebitno već osvajanje teritorija koji drži ISIL i držanje pozicija za buduće pregovore. nešto kao 1945-ta, što se tiče Amera više je analitičara navelo da ova sadašnja politika zapravo vodi amere u sukob sa svima koji ne mogu dobiti
Nisam primjetio.
Ako ovako nastave, to bi im se lako moglo i dogoditi.
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slidingdoorsoperator wrote:asilovski wrote:Vrlo vjerojatno postoji tajni dogovor o kojem su židi pisali, a to da se ISIL povuče a da umjesto njih dođu umjereni kanibali iKurdi i tako presjeku liniju Damask-Bagdad, samo tu liniju hoće i Irak a ne samo Assad i ameri moraju biti spremni na otvorni rat sa maltene svima
Ima još jedan scenarij iz istih izvora po kojem treba ostaviti neki oblik ISIL-a kako bi se tako navodno privlačilo islamske ekstremiste iz cijelog svijeta u tu paradržavni tvorevinu da se tamo bore i ostave svoje kosti jer ih je tako navodno puno lakše eliminirati nego loviti po zapadu gdje su se sad raširili poput ambrozije.
Meni se taj čini vjerojatnijim od ovog koji si ti naveo zato jer će to Amere prije ili kasnije dovesti u sukob doslovce sa svima na terenu, osim sa Kurdima kao njihovim najlojalnijim saveznicima.
utjecajni izraelski think tank:
https://besacenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/MSPS113web.pdf
str. 33
With the exception of Obama’s clumsy “red line,” his policy closely
followed realist guidelines. The Syrian civil war and the ISIS threat
it spawned justifiably provoked American concerns, but never really
endangered vital American interests. To be sure, Obama worried about
the effects of the conflict on important American friends in the region
(such as Turkey, Jordan and Iraq), on American citizens radicalized by the
civil war returning to the United States bent on committing mayhem, and
on the humanitarian tragedy that grew worse with each passing day. As
important as these concerns were, none rose to the level of endangering
core interests of American security or economic well-being. As such, it
made sense for Obama to limit America’s response, especially when the
Syrian civil war was largely confined to Syria.
As the threat to American interests grew with the rise of ISIS, so too did
American actions to defeat it, but always with the qualification that there
would be no major intervention of United States forces. Reinforcing
the limited nature of the American response was Obama’s belief that
the actors most threatened should do the most to defeat the threat they
faced. The Iraqis, Kurds and Syrian rebels, therefore, needed to play the
principal role in this drama. America would support them with weapons,
training, and advisors, but in the final analysis, it was up to them to save
themselves. In this manner, the United States is acting very much as a
“buck passer,” placing the main responsibility on those who have the
most at stake, which is exactly what realists would recommend.
pa dalje
https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/hit-hamas-hard-create-different-strategic-balance-islamic-terrorism/
Even if Hamas were overwhelmed by other Jihadist groups they might spend more time fighting each other than against the Zionist enemy, as we see today in Syria. The Syrian regime has recently made major gains in large part because the ISIL is as busy fighting al-Nusra and other groups as it is against the Syrians. In Gaza, it will probably be little different. Certainly, these organizations will not have the capabilities of Hamas. They will hardly enjoy the same level of tactical support from Iran as Hamas enjoyed in the past.
i na kraju ovo
https://besacenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/MSPS118.pdf
dakle politika je fight real enemy a to nije isil
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sad vodi politiku pomaganja malo jednima malo drugima tako da rat nikad ne prestane u biti da je izrael na miru
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/19280slidingdoorsoperator wrote:asilovski wrote:stavio sam ga kao temu, međutim sada je to po meni nebitno već osvajanje teritorija koji drži ISIL i držanje pozicija za buduće pregovore. nešto kao 1945-ta, što se tiče Amera više je analitičara navelo da ova sadašnja politika zapravo vodi amere u sukob sa svima koji ne mogu dobiti
Nisam primjetio.
Ako ovako nastave, to bi im se lako moglo i dogoditi.
[size=41]The destruction of ISIS is a strategic mistake[/size]
The West should further weaken Islamic State, but not destroy it. A weak but functioning IS can undermine the appeal of the caliphate among radical Muslims; keep bad actors focused on one another rather than on Western targets; and hamper Iran.
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http://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/destruction-islamic-state-strategic-mistake/
U biti de facto priznanje da je ISIl projekt kuće saud, izraela i SAD-a to jest deep statea
U biti de facto priznanje da je ISIl projekt kuće saud, izraela i SAD-a to jest deep statea
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kako je moguće da je USA kanta oborila rusku tehnologiju ;/
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https://besacenter.org/venue/besa-seminar-room-building-203-room-131/page/28/?lang=en%2F#.WUe9mpKGOUk
Because China’s Middle East stance is in the midst of a grand reconsideration, Israel has an important window of opportunity to influence Chinese thinking. In the absence of a dominant American presence in the Persian Gulf, the risks of regional war and an interruption of China’s oil supplies will rise above the threshold of acceptability to Beijing,
How India will interact with the “New Silk Road” is not yet clear, but it seems increasingly likely that India and China will collaborate rather than quarrel. After President Xi Jinping’s September 2014 state visit to India, the new government of Narendra Modi may draw on Chinese expertise and financing to alleviate critical infrastructure bottlenecks. The two countries are negotiating a $33 billion high-speed rail scheme, for example, the first major improvement in a rail system built by the British in the 19th century. Economics trumps petty concerns over borders in the mountainous wasteland that separates the world’s two most populous nations.
There also is a strategic dimension to the growing sense of agreement between China and India. From India’s vantage point, China’s support for Pakistan’s army is a concern, but it cuts both ways. Pakistan remains at perpetual risk of tipping over towards militant Islam, and the main guarantor of its stability is the army. China wants to strengthen the army as a bulwark against the Islamic radicals, who threaten China’s Xinjiang province as much as they do India, and that probably serves India’s interests as well as any Chinese policy might.
Meanwhile the rise of Islamist extremism worries Beijing. At least a hundred, and perhaps many more, Chinese Uyghurs are reportedly fighting with Islamic State, presumably in order to acquire terrorist skills to bring back home to China. Chinese analysts have a very low opinion of the Obama administration’s approach to dealing with IS, but they do not have an alternative policy. There is an opportunity for low-profile but significant security cooperation between Israel and China.
China’s role in Egypt exemplifies how Beijing may use its economic muscle to contribute to regional stability. Egyptian President Fatah al-Sisi signed a “comprehensive strategic partnership” with China during his late-December state visit to Beijing. China envisions a second Suez Canal flanked by a high-speed rail line, as well as “cooperation in infrastructure, nuclear power, new energy, aviation, finance and other sectors,” Chinese President Xi Jinping said in December. Israel may have a role in Sino-Egyptian cooperation. As aforementioned, Israel can provide advanced agricultural technologies to support the industrialization of Middle Eastern countries in the context of One Belt, One Road.
China’s policy-making is careful, conservative and consensus-driven. Its overriding concern is its own economy. The pace of transformation of the Middle East has surprised it, and it is trying to decide what to do next. What China will do in the future cannot be predicted. But it seems inevitable that China’s basic interests will lead it to far greater involvement in the region, all the more so as the US withdraws. Israel will remain an American ally, and this alliance strictly delimits the scope of Sino-Israeli collaboration. Within these limits, though, Israel has great room to maneuver, and the opportunity to help shape Chinese thinking and strategy in the region for decades to come.
Because China’s Middle East stance is in the midst of a grand reconsideration, Israel has an important window of opportunity to influence Chinese thinking. In the absence of a dominant American presence in the Persian Gulf, the risks of regional war and an interruption of China’s oil supplies will rise above the threshold of acceptability to Beijing,
How India will interact with the “New Silk Road” is not yet clear, but it seems increasingly likely that India and China will collaborate rather than quarrel. After President Xi Jinping’s September 2014 state visit to India, the new government of Narendra Modi may draw on Chinese expertise and financing to alleviate critical infrastructure bottlenecks. The two countries are negotiating a $33 billion high-speed rail scheme, for example, the first major improvement in a rail system built by the British in the 19th century. Economics trumps petty concerns over borders in the mountainous wasteland that separates the world’s two most populous nations.
There also is a strategic dimension to the growing sense of agreement between China and India. From India’s vantage point, China’s support for Pakistan’s army is a concern, but it cuts both ways. Pakistan remains at perpetual risk of tipping over towards militant Islam, and the main guarantor of its stability is the army. China wants to strengthen the army as a bulwark against the Islamic radicals, who threaten China’s Xinjiang province as much as they do India, and that probably serves India’s interests as well as any Chinese policy might.
Meanwhile the rise of Islamist extremism worries Beijing. At least a hundred, and perhaps many more, Chinese Uyghurs are reportedly fighting with Islamic State, presumably in order to acquire terrorist skills to bring back home to China. Chinese analysts have a very low opinion of the Obama administration’s approach to dealing with IS, but they do not have an alternative policy. There is an opportunity for low-profile but significant security cooperation between Israel and China.
China’s role in Egypt exemplifies how Beijing may use its economic muscle to contribute to regional stability. Egyptian President Fatah al-Sisi signed a “comprehensive strategic partnership” with China during his late-December state visit to Beijing. China envisions a second Suez Canal flanked by a high-speed rail line, as well as “cooperation in infrastructure, nuclear power, new energy, aviation, finance and other sectors,” Chinese President Xi Jinping said in December. Israel may have a role in Sino-Egyptian cooperation. As aforementioned, Israel can provide advanced agricultural technologies to support the industrialization of Middle Eastern countries in the context of One Belt, One Road.
China’s policy-making is careful, conservative and consensus-driven. Its overriding concern is its own economy. The pace of transformation of the Middle East has surprised it, and it is trying to decide what to do next. What China will do in the future cannot be predicted. But it seems inevitable that China’s basic interests will lead it to far greater involvement in the region, all the more so as the US withdraws. Israel will remain an American ally, and this alliance strictly delimits the scope of Sino-Israeli collaboration. Within these limits, though, Israel has great room to maneuver, and the opportunity to help shape Chinese thinking and strategy in the region for decades to come.
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Ministarstvo odbrane Rusije od danas prekida saradnju sa SAD u okviru Memoranduma o sprečavanju incidenta na nebu iznad Sirije, navodi se u saopštenju ruskog spoljnopolitičkog resora.
Prema rečima vojske, od sada će u regionima gde ruska avijacija bude izvodila zadatke na nebu iznad Sirije svaki vazdušni objekat međunarodne koalicije smatrati vazdušnom metom.
https://rs-lat.sputniknews.com/rusija/201706191111618466-Rusija-Ministarstvo-odbrane-Sirija-avion1/
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mutava baštarda- Posts : 21037
2015-09-14
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asilovski wrote:http://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/destruction-islamic-state-strategic-mistake/
U biti de facto priznanje da je ISIl projekt kuće saud, izraela i SAD-a to jest deep statea
ako i ne njihov projekt, ali svakako projekt koji je u njihovom interesu i kojeg nipošto ne žele uništiti, eventualno samo držati pod kontrolom (što će teško ići)
kako god ISIL je bitan čimbenik u politici "balansiranja snaga" naročito protiv irana koji je očito glavna briga izraela iz svih papira
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mutava baštarda wrote:Prema rečima vojske, od sada će u regionima gde ruska avijacija bude izvodila zadatke na nebu iznad Sirije svaki vazdušni objekat međunarodne koalicije smatrati vazdušnom metom.
https://rs-lat.sputniknews.com/rusija/201706191111618466-Rusija-Ministarstvo-odbrane-Sirija-avion1/
Ups. Netko bi lako mogao obrati bostan.
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mutava baštarda wrote:Ministarstvo odbrane Rusije od danas prekida saradnju sa SAD u okviru Memoranduma o sprečavanju incidenta na nebu iznad Sirije, navodi se u saopštenju ruskog spoljnopolitičkog resora.
Prema rečima vojske, od sada će u regionima gde ruska avijacija bude izvodila zadatke na nebu iznad Sirije svaki vazdušni objekat međunarodne koalicije smatrati vazdušnom metom.
https://rs-lat.sputniknews.com/rusija/201706191111618466-Rusija-Ministarstvo-odbrane-Sirija-avion1/
Ali, zašto, pa pitali su ih jel smiju?
Evo, piše:
"'Prije nego što je srušen sirijski avion, američka je vojska komunicirala s Rusijom, glavnim sirijskim saveznikom, kako ne bi došlo do eskalacije sukoba'', dodao je glasnogovornik Pentagona.
Pročitajte više na: https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/americki-borbeni-mlaznjak-srusio-sirijski-su-22-1177476 - www.vecernji.hr"
crvenkasti-
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2014-04-17
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kuća suad su vodonoše. a to o projektu je sigurno, nemoguće da bi se bez ogromnom naprezanja iz vana moglo od čuvara stada koza uspostaviti za kratko vrijeme područje sa de fakto teritorijalnom i financijskom, ... suverenosti. to je jednostavno nemoguće da su to odradili sami, a nemoguće ni uz pomoć ex sadamovih kadrova kako to neki pokušavaju podvaliti...marcellus wrote:asilovski wrote:http://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/destruction-islamic-state-strategic-mistake/
U biti de facto priznanje da je ISIl projekt kuće saud, izraela i SAD-a to jest deep statea
ako i ne njihov projekt, ali svakako projekt koji je u njihovom interesu i kojeg nipošto ne žele uništiti, eventualno samo držati pod kontrolom (što će teško ići)
kako god ISIL je bitan čimbenik u politici "balansiranja snaga" naročito protiv irana koji je očito glavna briga izraela iz svih papira
mutava baštarda- Posts : 21037
2015-09-14
Re: Ameri srušili avion sirijske vojske
da to je i u priopćenju, ali kako vidimo netko ovdje laže...crvenkasti wrote:mutava baštarda wrote:Ministarstvo odbrane Rusije od danas prekida saradnju sa SAD u okviru Memoranduma o sprečavanju incidenta na nebu iznad Sirije, navodi se u saopštenju ruskog spoljnopolitičkog resora.
Prema rečima vojske, od sada će u regionima gde ruska avijacija bude izvodila zadatke na nebu iznad Sirije svaki vazdušni objekat međunarodne koalicije smatrati vazdušnom metom.
https://rs-lat.sputniknews.com/rusija/201706191111618466-Rusija-Ministarstvo-odbrane-Sirija-avion1/
Ali, zašto, pa pitali su ih jel smiju?
Evo, piše:
"'Prije nego što je srušen sirijski avion, američka je vojska komunicirala s Rusijom, glavnim sirijskim saveznikom, kako ne bi došlo do eskalacije sukoba'', dodao je glasnogovornik Pentagona.
Pročitajte više na: https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/americki-borbeni-mlaznjak-srusio-sirijski-su-22-1177476 - www.vecernji.hr"
mutava baštarda- Posts : 21037
2015-09-14
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