Pitali smo Hitnu zašto je dijete čekalo 71 minutu da ga odvezu u bolnicu, evo što kažu
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Pitali smo Hitnu zašto je dijete čekalo 71 minutu da ga odvezu u bolnicu, evo što kažu
PRIJE par dana objavili smo priču Zagrepčanina koji je s ozlijeđenim djetetom čekao 80 minuta da Hitna dođe po njih i odveze dijete u bolnicu.
"Ukupno 80 minuta čekanja hitne koja ordinira po bolnicama u centru i treba doći po nas koji smo isto u centru. Doslovno toliko treba iz Slavonskog Broda do Zagreba kad se stisne gas, a to hitne rade, i plus imaju svoja pravila u prometu. I da se ljutim na njih? Pa kako kad znam da su potkapacitirani, kako kad znam što se sve radi da se uništi zdravstvo. Kako kad znam koliko im ljudi fale, kad znam koliko ljudi odlazi", kazao nam je otac, svjestan kaže, situacije u kojoj se nalazi hrvatsko zdravstvo.
Nakon što su provjerili slučaj, javila nam se i zamjenica ravnatelja Nastavnog zavoda za hitnu medicinu grada Zagreba dr. Ileana Lučić-Renaud.
Ona nam je rekla da je "gospodin čekao 71 minutu, a da je situacija bila takva da su sve ekipe bile zauzete".
"Žao nam je što je čekao, no slučaj je trijažiran kao treći stupanj. Kad smo zaprimili poziv, u gradu je bila špica, bila je velika gužva, a najbliži slobodni tim je došao po njih i odvezao ih u Klaićevu. Jedino je to čekanje bilo problem", rekla je za Index dr. Ileana Lučić-Renaud.
U Zagrebu je kaže, za djelatnost pružanja izvanbolničke hitne medicinske pomoći ugovoreno 69 T1 timova (sastav tima T1: liječnik, med sestra/med tehničar i vozač) i 10 T2 timova (sastav tima: 2 med. sestre /med tehničara od kojih jedan vozi).
Tijekom 24 sata ističe, prosječno u Prijamno dojavni centar preko broj 194 ili 112 zaprime 1200 poziva. Potom sve pozive liječnici trebaju trijažirati po hrvatskom indeksu, a dnevno u prosjeku zaprime od 250 do 260 intervencija hitne medicinske pomoći. Pozivi se, naglašava, svrstavaju po stupnjevima hitnosti.
http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/pitali-smo-hitnu-zasto-je-dijete-cekalo-71-minutu-da-ga-odvezu-u-bolnicu-evo-sto-kazu/939458.aspx
"Ukupno 80 minuta čekanja hitne koja ordinira po bolnicama u centru i treba doći po nas koji smo isto u centru. Doslovno toliko treba iz Slavonskog Broda do Zagreba kad se stisne gas, a to hitne rade, i plus imaju svoja pravila u prometu. I da se ljutim na njih? Pa kako kad znam da su potkapacitirani, kako kad znam što se sve radi da se uništi zdravstvo. Kako kad znam koliko im ljudi fale, kad znam koliko ljudi odlazi", kazao nam je otac, svjestan kaže, situacije u kojoj se nalazi hrvatsko zdravstvo.
Nakon što su provjerili slučaj, javila nam se i zamjenica ravnatelja Nastavnog zavoda za hitnu medicinu grada Zagreba dr. Ileana Lučić-Renaud.
Ona nam je rekla da je "gospodin čekao 71 minutu, a da je situacija bila takva da su sve ekipe bile zauzete".
"Žao nam je što je čekao, no slučaj je trijažiran kao treći stupanj. Kad smo zaprimili poziv, u gradu je bila špica, bila je velika gužva, a najbliži slobodni tim je došao po njih i odvezao ih u Klaićevu. Jedino je to čekanje bilo problem", rekla je za Index dr. Ileana Lučić-Renaud.
U Zagrebu je kaže, za djelatnost pružanja izvanbolničke hitne medicinske pomoći ugovoreno 69 T1 timova (sastav tima T1: liječnik, med sestra/med tehničar i vozač) i 10 T2 timova (sastav tima: 2 med. sestre /med tehničara od kojih jedan vozi).
Tijekom 24 sata ističe, prosječno u Prijamno dojavni centar preko broj 194 ili 112 zaprime 1200 poziva. Potom sve pozive liječnici trebaju trijažirati po hrvatskom indeksu, a dnevno u prosjeku zaprime od 250 do 260 intervencija hitne medicinske pomoći. Pozivi se, naglašava, svrstavaju po stupnjevima hitnosti.
http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/pitali-smo-hitnu-zasto-je-dijete-cekalo-71-minutu-da-ga-odvezu-u-bolnicu-evo-sto-kazu/939458.aspx
debotoijusto- Posts : 31574
2014-04-12
Re: Pitali smo Hitnu zašto je dijete čekalo 71 minutu da ga odvezu u bolnicu, evo što kažu
placat ce se isto ili vise a hitna ce dolazit za 60 min. ako bude srece
debotoijusto- Posts : 31574
2014-04-12
Re: Pitali smo Hitnu zašto je dijete čekalo 71 minutu da ga odvezu u bolnicu, evo što kažu
"Žao nam je što je čekao, no slučaj je trijažiran kao treći stupanj. Kad smo zaprimili poziv, u gradu je bila špica, bila je velika gužva, a najbliži slobodni tim je došao po njih i odvezao ih u Klaićevu. Jedino je to čekanje bilo problem", rekla je za Index dr. Ileana Lučić-Renaud."
Triage (/ˈtriːɑːʒ/ or //triːˈɑːʒ//) is the process of determining the priority of patients' treatments based on the severity of their condition. This rations patient treatment efficiently when resources are insufficient for all to be treated immediately. The term comes from the French verb trier, meaning to separate, sift or select.[1] Triage may result in determining the order and priority of emergency treatment, the order and priority of emergency transport, or the transport destination for the patient.
Triage may also be used for patients arriving at the emergency department, or telephoning medical advice systems,[2] among others. This article deals with the concept of triage as it occurs in medical emergencies, including the prehospital setting, disasters, and emergency room treatment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage
Triage (/ˈtriːɑːʒ/ or //triːˈɑːʒ//) is the process of determining the priority of patients' treatments based on the severity of their condition. This rations patient treatment efficiently when resources are insufficient for all to be treated immediately. The term comes from the French verb trier, meaning to separate, sift or select.[1] Triage may result in determining the order and priority of emergency treatment, the order and priority of emergency transport, or the transport destination for the patient.
Triage may also be used for patients arriving at the emergency department, or telephoning medical advice systems,[2] among others. This article deals with the concept of triage as it occurs in medical emergencies, including the prehospital setting, disasters, and emergency room treatment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage
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Re: Pitali smo Hitnu zašto je dijete čekalo 71 minutu da ga odvezu u bolnicu, evo što kažu
Mozda su mogli procijeniti i obavijestiti roditelja koliko ce trebati njihovom vozilu da dodje na adresu. Savjetovati da li je potreban i/li pozeljan transport vlastitim vozilom ili taxijem.
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Re: Pitali smo Hitnu zašto je dijete čekalo 71 minutu da ga odvezu u bolnicu, evo što kažu
ako je hitna državna služba, unda će se na hitnu- čekati.
http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/novosti/hrvatska/clanak/id/459076/dok-drzava-sanira-jedan-zid-na-jadranskoj-magistrali-privatnik-podigne-cijeli-hotel-s-cetiri-zvjezdice
http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/novosti/hrvatska/clanak/id/459076/dok-drzava-sanira-jedan-zid-na-jadranskoj-magistrali-privatnik-podigne-cijeli-hotel-s-cetiri-zvjezdice
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aben- Posts : 35490
2014-04-16
Re: Pitali smo Hitnu zašto je dijete čekalo 71 minutu da ga odvezu u bolnicu, evo što kažu
Na hitnu ce se cekati svagdje gdje to nije najbolje organizirano ili u velikim gradovima gdje su prometne guzve i spice vise manje stalna pojava. Zagreb ipak nije megalopolis...
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Re: Pitali smo Hitnu zašto je dijete čekalo 71 minutu da ga odvezu u bolnicu, evo što kažu
Mirkec&Slavkec wrote:Na hitnu ce se cekati svagdje gdje to nije najbolje organizirano
točno, a država nojgore organiziro.
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aben- Posts : 35490
2014-04-16
Re: Pitali smo Hitnu zašto je dijete čekalo 71 minutu da ga odvezu u bolnicu, evo što kažu
to je samo tvoja predrasuda.
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Re: Pitali smo Hitnu zašto je dijete čekalo 71 minutu da ga odvezu u bolnicu, evo što kažu
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[*]The size, dollar value, and complexity of many government programs exceed that in the private sector.
[*]The government has fewer measures of progress or success than the private sector, although that is changing as a result of the Government Performance Reform Act requirements. Spending on a program is not equivalent to progress. The private sector has profit as a clear-cut measure.
[*]Most individuals join private sector organizations with the expectation and hope that they will have an opportunity either to earn significant amounts of money or to be trained such that the opportunity to earn significant amounts of money could occur in a later job. The individuals who join governments do so knowing that high compensation rates are not possible; they join for other reasons such as providing for others and/or having more power/responsibility than in the private sector. Managing these two dramatically differently motivated groups is significantly different for each group.
[*]The civil service and compensation rules of the government make it more difficult to encourage outstanding performance and discourage poor performance.
[*]There is very little personal gain in the government for taking risks on policy or programs and being successful in achieving the goals more effectively. However there is potential for substantial criticism and other personal loss if the innovative attempt fails.
[*]The key reality to the private sector is market-driven competition, whereas the same in the government is almost always a legislated monopoly.
[*]Private sector managers worry about creating added value, i.e. a product or service that can be sold competitively to the public. This requires the ability and skill to change, evolve, adapt and improve constantly. Government is frequently quite different. Managers in the government often know what needs to be done and desire to do it but are facing restrictions of laws, regulations, policies, often made years earlier for other circumstances, that prevent prompt action.
[*]Authority and responsibility in the government tends to be asymmetric while authority and responsibility in the private sector are more clearly balanced. Responsibility in the government can be enormous while authority is frequently quite limited.
[*]Authority in government may be ambiguous and unclear in some circumstances. In other cases it is very clear and tightly restricted through laws, regulations, policies and directives that leave little, if any room for individual initiative.
[*]In most outstanding private sector organizations there are clear, well-understood, job-by-job, top-to-bottom goals and objectives. In government, goals and objectives have been ill-formed, fuzzy and soft. The Government Performance Reform Act and individual departments are striving to change this. Goals in the government are often divergent which may lead to confusion.
[*]The senior/political leadership in Departments and Agencies turns over more frequently and to a larger extent than occurs in the private sector. Cabinet Secretaries do not stay longer than three years on average; Assistant Secretary tenure is less than 24 months. New Cabinet Secretaries frequently replace significant numbers of senior leadership in their first year. This causes starts and stops in direction of Departments or Agencies. The only similar private sector situation is a hostile takeover.
[*]The average years of experience either on the substantive matters for which they are responsible or in management generally for political leadership is much, much less than their counterparts in the private sector. This is particularly true for individuals below level of Cabinet Secretary.
[*]The main goal of most political appointees is to promote the policies of the Administration and/or change the policies of the previous Administration. Few political appointees focus on organizational management issues because they have no experience; will not be in government long; and desire to focus on policy issues, not management issues. Political appointees receive little encouragement to focus on management issues.
[*]The various forms of control on a government agency versus the few on the private sector are staggering. A government agency has at least three different leadership groups to which it is responsible. One has 100 CEOs (the Senate); one has 435 CEOs (the House) and one has one CEO (the President) and at least 435 assistants (the White House staff including OMB, CEA, OSTP, NSC, HSC [Homeland Security Council] and others). The result is that there is confusion and potential delay on most significant issues or decisions. Furthermore many of these “CEO’s” and/or their staffs require reports about actions and/or their approval or clearance for actions sought to be taken by the agency in accordance with existing laws and policies.
[*]The staff of the Appropriations, Authorizing and Government Oversight committees are very powerful and can directly or through their members direct government agency actions. The Executive Branch disregards such staff at its peril. No similar institution affects the private sector.
[*]The norm in the Executive Branch is for Secretaries to have multiple Special Assistants with even Assistant Secretaries having from one to three. Unless these assistants are experienced and/or wise, which is not normal, they can cause confusion to the subordinate officials about what is desired by their principal. In the private sector special assistant positions are rare.
[*]The oversight of an Executive Branch agency is much greater than of an organization in the private sector. That oversight is by both governmental and non-governmental entities.
[*]Governmental Oversight. (a) Each Department has an Inspector General who is charged with evaluating the Department for waste, fraud and abuse, and poor management. The IG has access to any aspect of the agency business and reports its findings simultaneously to the Congress and the Secretary. (b) The Appropriations, Authorizing and Government Reform committees in each chamber have periodic hearings or other forms of oversight over the agency. (c) Congress itself has the General Accountability Office, the Congressional Budget Office, and the Congressional Research Service, which investigate, to varying extents, and write reports on the Executive Branch agencies.
[*]Non-governmental oversight. This is also more extensive than that of the private sector. The national press, general media, and trade press cover the Executive Branch extensively. There are multiple “think tanks” concerning almost every aspect of the Executive Branch, which write reports criticizing Executive Branch actions. The affected private or public sector stakeholders will provide information and leads to the press and the Congress. These stakeholders are frequently organized through trade associations or non-governmental organizations, which know how to influence government action.
[*]“Whistle blowers” receive more encouragement and protection in the government than the private sector and are thus more active. They provide insights and information to the Congress, the media, and/or the affected stakeholders because of policy differences with the Administration, anger with their employer, or for other reasons.
[*]The government is much slower in action than the private sector; there is little sense of urgency or time; the analogy of the time and distance involved with turning an oil tanker is apt.
[*]Career, and on occasion political, staff in the Executive Branch have the ability to slow down and/or derail actions of the Secretary or President by very slow compliance or “apparent” compliance with decisions and/or orders. Those who wish to slow or delay action may provide information to individuals in other parts of the Executive Branch or more often to those outside the Executive Branch in the private sector or the Legislative Branch with the expectation that they will challenge or question the action being directed by the Secretary or the President. Such lack of support of the organization’s leader and/or loyalty to the organization would rarely occur in the private sector.
[*]Since political appointees know that their job tenure is very finite, they frequently spend a disproportionate amount of time considering or working towards their next private sector activity. This distraction, with its implications for the performance of the individual and those organizationally above or below the individual, does not occur in the private sector.
[*]In government, issues are rarely “permanently” decided with little chance of modification or reversal. Changes in control of the White House or one or both Houses of Congress can frequently lead to reconsideration of previous firm decisions, whether or not the external fact situation has significantly changed.
[*]Because the tenure of political employees is limited compared to career employees and the relevant experience of the political employees is likely to be less than that of the career employees, there are significant opportunities for conflicts between the “B Company”, i.e. the career employees who “B there before and B there after” the political employees. The career employees recognize that the Congress or the private sector may react negatively to changes being proposed or implemented by political employees who will be departed by the time the negative reaction affects the government organization.
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aben- Posts : 35490
2014-04-16
Re: Pitali smo Hitnu zašto je dijete čekalo 71 minutu da ga odvezu u bolnicu, evo što kažu
Koji bullshit spam. Ima dovoljno informacija na net-u o prosjecnom vremenu dolaska hitnih sluzbi do mjesta nesrece/pacijenta po velikim gradovim svijeta kao i raznih (privatnih) inicijativa kako da se taj tajming popravi. Linkove stavljati necu jer mi se ne da niti bi te to zuastavilo u daljnjem spamanju.
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samo u filmovima..U praksi to pokusaj napraviti,ukljuci sve 4 signalizacije,trubi,pravi buku,turiraj,drugi ce te sterati u pičkumater i jos ti namjerno ne skloniti se sa puta...Nikako to ne raditi.Mirkec&Slavkec wrote:Mozda su mogli procijeniti i obavijestiti roditelja koliko ce trebati njihovom vozilu da dodje na adresu. Savjetovati da li je potreban i/li pozeljan transport vlastitim vozilom ili taxijem.
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Re: Pitali smo Hitnu zašto je dijete čekalo 71 minutu da ga odvezu u bolnicu, evo što kažu
to s prometnom guzvom u Zagrebu pretjeruju. ne bi da je New York.
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