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Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has lashed out at NATO, saying the alliance is not fully cooperating with Ankara. In an interview with Sputnik, he hinted that Turkey would consider military cooperation with Russia.
Cavusoglu says that Ankara has become alarmed at the lack of willingness shown by NATO to cooperate with Turkey, which is a member of the alliance.
"It seems to us that NATO members behave in an evasive fashion on issues such as the exchange of technology and joint investments. Turkey intends to develop its own defense industry and strengthen its defense system,” he said in an interview with Sputnik.
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Turkish and NATO flags © Fatih SaribasTurkish diplomats slam NATO for ‘trying to dictate terms’ of Ankara’s foreign policy
“In this sense, if Russia were to treat this with interest, we are ready to consider the possibility of cooperation in this sector," Cavusoglu said when asked about the possibility of working with Russia in the defense sphere.
It is Cavusoglu’s strongest rebuke of NATO to date. In an interview with the Anadolu news agency on August 10, he said that Turkey and Russia would look to establish a joint military, intelligence, and diplomatic mechanism, while adding that relations with NATO were not as satisfactory as he would have wished.
“Turkey wanted to cooperate with NATO members up to this point,” he said. “But the results we got did not satisfy us. Therefore, it is natural to look for other options. But we don’t see this as a move against NATO,” he told Anadolu.
Meanwhile, a week ago, the Turkish ambassador to Russia, Umit Yardim, said NATO has no right to dictate foreign policy to Ankara.
“In no way can NATO limit our contacts with other countries... It means NATO has no right to dictate its terms and tell us who we should or should not meet and communicate with,” Yardim said on August 11, as cited by RIA Novosti.
The warming of relations between Turkey and Russia, which were previously at a low after a Turkish warplane shot down a Russian warplane over Syria in November, has led to apprehension in the West.
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Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan speaks to Russian President Vladimir Putin (R) during their meeting in St. Petersburg, Russia, August 9, 2016. © Sergei KarpukhinPutin meets Erdogan for 1st time since downing of Russian jet
Cavusoglu also previously pointed out that there is growing resentment in Turkey due to a perception that the EU and US have only been giving mild support to Ankara in the wake of the attempted coup against President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on July 15.
Turkey has been incensed by the US’ refusal to hand over cleric Fethullah Gulen, who Ankara believes organized the attempted coup.
The Turkish government wants Gulen, who lives in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania, to be extradited to face trial at home, but Washington has repeatedly refused. The US says it needs clear evidence that there was a link between Gulen and the attempted coup before it will consider complying with Turkey’s request.
Speaking to Sputnik, Cavusoglu accused the West of treating Turkey and Russia like “second class countries” simply because they did not see eye-to-eye.
"They consider Russia and Turkey to be second class countries, and they are outraged that these second class countries dare to criticize them… Therefore, faced with the straightforwardness and resilience of Erdogan and [President Vladimir] Putin, they feel very worried and anxious," Cavusoglu said.
READ MORE: ‘Turkey gave up EU membership hope, seeking other partners’
Cavusoglu’s criticism was not restricted to NATO, as he launched a broadside towards the West, saying it was largely responsible for the crisis in Ukraine.
“Look at what has happened in Ukraine,” he told Sputnik. “They were always threatening the country and forcing it to make a choice between them and Russia. They were saying, ‘you will either be with us or with Russia.’ This course of action is futile. What is happening in Ukraine is a reflection of the main problems in the region.”
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© Stoyan NenovBlack Sea Breeze: 1,700 personnel, 25 vessels take part in NATO naval drills
In contrast, the Turkish diplomat says that Ankara wants peace around the Black Sea region and does not want it to become an epicenter for tension. He called on all parties to try and find a peaceful resolution and said there needed to be greater dialogue between Russia and NATO.
“There should be no threats emerging in the region for anyone, for Turkey, for Russia or for anyone else,” Cavusoglu said.
According to the minister, the need for dialogue with Russia was apparent at the last NATO summit. "In my opinion, all existing issues should be overcome through establishing dialogue," he added.
The Turkish foreign minister pointed out that Turkey was the only member of NATO not to champion the introduction of sanctions against Russia, while he added that attempts by the West to frighten Moscow by the introduction of punitive measures had failed.
He noted how the West tried to humble Russia during its hosting of the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi by constantly bringing up the same topic concerning the rights of sexual minorities.
“You cannot turn around a relationship with such a huge and great power like Russia just because of one question,” he said, adding that when a relationship is reduced to such a low level, “nothing constructive can come of it.”
Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has lashed out at NATO, saying the alliance is not fully cooperating with Ankara. In an interview with Sputnik, he hinted that Turkey would consider military cooperation with Russia.
Cavusoglu says that Ankara has become alarmed at the lack of willingness shown by NATO to cooperate with Turkey, which is a member of the alliance.
"It seems to us that NATO members behave in an evasive fashion on issues such as the exchange of technology and joint investments. Turkey intends to develop its own defense industry and strengthen its defense system,” he said in an interview with Sputnik.
Read more
Turkish and NATO flags © Fatih SaribasTurkish diplomats slam NATO for ‘trying to dictate terms’ of Ankara’s foreign policy
“In this sense, if Russia were to treat this with interest, we are ready to consider the possibility of cooperation in this sector," Cavusoglu said when asked about the possibility of working with Russia in the defense sphere.
It is Cavusoglu’s strongest rebuke of NATO to date. In an interview with the Anadolu news agency on August 10, he said that Turkey and Russia would look to establish a joint military, intelligence, and diplomatic mechanism, while adding that relations with NATO were not as satisfactory as he would have wished.
“Turkey wanted to cooperate with NATO members up to this point,” he said. “But the results we got did not satisfy us. Therefore, it is natural to look for other options. But we don’t see this as a move against NATO,” he told Anadolu.
Meanwhile, a week ago, the Turkish ambassador to Russia, Umit Yardim, said NATO has no right to dictate foreign policy to Ankara.
“In no way can NATO limit our contacts with other countries... It means NATO has no right to dictate its terms and tell us who we should or should not meet and communicate with,” Yardim said on August 11, as cited by RIA Novosti.
The warming of relations between Turkey and Russia, which were previously at a low after a Turkish warplane shot down a Russian warplane over Syria in November, has led to apprehension in the West.
Read more
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan speaks to Russian President Vladimir Putin (R) during their meeting in St. Petersburg, Russia, August 9, 2016. © Sergei KarpukhinPutin meets Erdogan for 1st time since downing of Russian jet
Cavusoglu also previously pointed out that there is growing resentment in Turkey due to a perception that the EU and US have only been giving mild support to Ankara in the wake of the attempted coup against President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on July 15.
Turkey has been incensed by the US’ refusal to hand over cleric Fethullah Gulen, who Ankara believes organized the attempted coup.
The Turkish government wants Gulen, who lives in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania, to be extradited to face trial at home, but Washington has repeatedly refused. The US says it needs clear evidence that there was a link between Gulen and the attempted coup before it will consider complying with Turkey’s request.
Speaking to Sputnik, Cavusoglu accused the West of treating Turkey and Russia like “second class countries” simply because they did not see eye-to-eye.
"They consider Russia and Turkey to be second class countries, and they are outraged that these second class countries dare to criticize them… Therefore, faced with the straightforwardness and resilience of Erdogan and [President Vladimir] Putin, they feel very worried and anxious," Cavusoglu said.
READ MORE: ‘Turkey gave up EU membership hope, seeking other partners’
Cavusoglu’s criticism was not restricted to NATO, as he launched a broadside towards the West, saying it was largely responsible for the crisis in Ukraine.
“Look at what has happened in Ukraine,” he told Sputnik. “They were always threatening the country and forcing it to make a choice between them and Russia. They were saying, ‘you will either be with us or with Russia.’ This course of action is futile. What is happening in Ukraine is a reflection of the main problems in the region.”
Read more
© Stoyan NenovBlack Sea Breeze: 1,700 personnel, 25 vessels take part in NATO naval drills
In contrast, the Turkish diplomat says that Ankara wants peace around the Black Sea region and does not want it to become an epicenter for tension. He called on all parties to try and find a peaceful resolution and said there needed to be greater dialogue between Russia and NATO.
“There should be no threats emerging in the region for anyone, for Turkey, for Russia or for anyone else,” Cavusoglu said.
According to the minister, the need for dialogue with Russia was apparent at the last NATO summit. "In my opinion, all existing issues should be overcome through establishing dialogue," he added.
The Turkish foreign minister pointed out that Turkey was the only member of NATO not to champion the introduction of sanctions against Russia, while he added that attempts by the West to frighten Moscow by the introduction of punitive measures had failed.
He noted how the West tried to humble Russia during its hosting of the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi by constantly bringing up the same topic concerning the rights of sexual minorities.
“You cannot turn around a relationship with such a huge and great power like Russia just because of one question,” he said, adding that when a relationship is reduced to such a low level, “nothing constructive can come of it.”
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toliko o tome da će Rusi njukovima uništiti Tursku, i da će se u konstantinopolu/istambulu opet krstiti sa 3 prsta - kako je pola foruma predviđalo
dok cijelo vrijeme su ova dvojica bili i ostali.. dva brata
dok cijelo vrijeme su ova dvojica bili i ostali.. dva brata
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Turska je pokleknula i poljbila putina u ruku
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neka pati Amerika i truli zapad
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zapravo, Rusi ne znaju handleat saveznike nit su ikad znali, samo čizma, tako da ovo može biti samo kratkoročno u korist Turske, ali dugoročno bi lizali šapu, i to neće ići..
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deda gulenist wrote:neka pati Amerika i truli zapad
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.. wrote:zapravo, Rusi ne znaju handleat saveznike nit su ikad znali, samo čizma, tako da ovo može biti samo kratkoročno u korist Turske, ali dugoročno bi lizali šapu, i to neće ići..
Nikako ni na koji nacin ovo nemoze ici u korist Turske. Doduse oni su si sami suzili mogucnosti. Prakticki su uspjeli od svih susjeda napraviti neprijatelje. Prije par mjeseci su bili ono na rubu rata s Rusima....sad odjednom best friends. Sretno i jednima i drugima s tako stalozenim vodjom jedne takve drzave.
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valjda ce sad pasti ona cementara kod Alepadva brata wrote:toliko o tome da će Rusi njukovima uništiti Tursku, i da će se u konstantinopolu/istambulu opet krstiti sa 3 prsta - kako je pola foruma predviđalo
dok cijelo vrijeme su ova dvojica bili i ostali.. dva brata
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2014-04-14
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TURSKI ministar vanjskih poslova Mevlut Cavusoglu žestoko se obrušio na NATO, navodeći kako Savez ne pruža Ankari punu potporu. U intervjuu za Sputnik, rekao je kako je Turska spremna uzeti u obzir čak i vojnu suradnju s Rusijom.
Cavusoglu je dodao kako je Turska nezadovoljna zbog nedostatka suradnje koji NATo iskazuje spram Ankare.
"Kad je Turska u pitanju, čini se kako NATO članice izbjegavaju pitanja kao što su razmjena tehnologija i zajedničke investicije. Turska namjerava razviti vlastitu obrambenu industriju i ojačati svoj obrambeni sustav", kazao je.
"Spremni razmotriti suradnju"
"U tom smislu, ukoliko je Rusiji to zanimljivo, spremni smo razmotriti suradnju u tom sektoru", prokomentirao je Cavusoglu mogućnost suradnje s Rusijom.
Ovo je najjača kritika NATO-u koji je turski šef diplomacije dosad uputio NATO-u.
Podsjetimo, u intervjuu za agenciju Anadolu Cavusoglu je prije tjedan dana kazao kako će Turska i Rusija razmotriti uspostavljanje zajedničkog obrambenog, obavještajnog i diplomatskog mehanizma.
http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/turska-zaprijetila-ako-nato-nije-spreman-na-vojnu-suradnju-s-nama-mozda-rusija-jest/913764.aspx
A ono .....promatramo.
Cavusoglu je dodao kako je Turska nezadovoljna zbog nedostatka suradnje koji NATo iskazuje spram Ankare.
"Kad je Turska u pitanju, čini se kako NATO članice izbjegavaju pitanja kao što su razmjena tehnologija i zajedničke investicije. Turska namjerava razviti vlastitu obrambenu industriju i ojačati svoj obrambeni sustav", kazao je.
"Spremni razmotriti suradnju"
"U tom smislu, ukoliko je Rusiji to zanimljivo, spremni smo razmotriti suradnju u tom sektoru", prokomentirao je Cavusoglu mogućnost suradnje s Rusijom.
Ovo je najjača kritika NATO-u koji je turski šef diplomacije dosad uputio NATO-u.
Podsjetimo, u intervjuu za agenciju Anadolu Cavusoglu je prije tjedan dana kazao kako će Turska i Rusija razmotriti uspostavljanje zajedničkog obrambenog, obavještajnog i diplomatskog mehanizma.
http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/turska-zaprijetila-ako-nato-nije-spreman-na-vojnu-suradnju-s-nama-mozda-rusija-jest/913764.aspx
A ono .....promatramo.
RayMabus- Posts : 184105
2014-04-11
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Tri su osobe ubijene, a 40 je ranjeno u napadu autobombom koji su kurdski pobunjenici izveli u gradu Vanu na istoku Turske, objavili su dužnosnici.
Meta napada bila je policijska postaja u središtu grada blizu granice s Iranom, rekao je zamjenik guvernera Mehmet Parlak.
Za napad je optužio "regionalnu terorističku skupinu", kako Ankara naziva Radničku stranku Kurdistana (PKK).
Kurdski militanti često autobombama napadaju policijske postaje i druge ispostave sigurnosnih snaga.
Jugoistočni dio Turske, pretežno naseljen Kurdima, preplavljen je nasiljem otkad je u srpnju prošle godine propalo primirje između vlade u Ankari i PKK-a sklopljeno prije dvije i pol godine.
Napad i u Elzaigu
Najmanje tri su osobe poginule, a više od 50 ranjeno u napadu autobombom na policijsku postaju u gradu Elazigu na istoku Turske, objavili su sigurnosni izvori, samo nekoliko sati nakon što je u sličnom napadu također ubijeno troje ljudi.
Na televizijskim snimkama vidi se oblak gustog dima i teška oštećenja nad policijskoj postaji.
Turska agencija Dogan objavila je da iza napada stoji zabranjena Radnička stranka Kurdistana (PKK).
Ta je skupina izvodila posljednjih mjeseci napade na policijske postaje u većinski kurdskom jugoistoku Turske.
http://www.vecernji.hr/svijet/automobil-bomba-eksplodirala-kod-policijske-postaje-u-turskoj-ranjeno-20-ljudi-1107059
Meta napada bila je policijska postaja u središtu grada blizu granice s Iranom, rekao je zamjenik guvernera Mehmet Parlak.
Za napad je optužio "regionalnu terorističku skupinu", kako Ankara naziva Radničku stranku Kurdistana (PKK).
Kurdski militanti često autobombama napadaju policijske postaje i druge ispostave sigurnosnih snaga.
Jugoistočni dio Turske, pretežno naseljen Kurdima, preplavljen je nasiljem otkad je u srpnju prošle godine propalo primirje između vlade u Ankari i PKK-a sklopljeno prije dvije i pol godine.
Napad i u Elzaigu
Najmanje tri su osobe poginule, a više od 50 ranjeno u napadu autobombom na policijsku postaju u gradu Elazigu na istoku Turske, objavili su sigurnosni izvori, samo nekoliko sati nakon što je u sličnom napadu također ubijeno troje ljudi.
Na televizijskim snimkama vidi se oblak gustog dima i teška oštećenja nad policijskoj postaji.
Turska agencija Dogan objavila je da iza napada stoji zabranjena Radnička stranka Kurdistana (PKK).
Ta je skupina izvodila posljednjih mjeseci napade na policijske postaje u većinski kurdskom jugoistoku Turske.
http://www.vecernji.hr/svijet/automobil-bomba-eksplodirala-kod-policijske-postaje-u-turskoj-ranjeno-20-ljudi-1107059
RayMabus- Posts : 184105
2014-04-11
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Video: Novi smrtonosni napadi na istoku Turske
18 august 2016 Izmijenjeno 19:00 CEST
http://balkans.aljazeera.net/vijesti/video-novi-smrtonosni-napad-na-istoku-turske
Uglavnom ; nije ni ovima ovamo dosadno.
18 august 2016 Izmijenjeno 19:00 CEST
Dvanaest ljudi je poginulo, a više od 200 je ranjeno, dok Erdogan tvrdi da Gulen podstiče napade PKK-a.
http://balkans.aljazeera.net/vijesti/video-novi-smrtonosni-napad-na-istoku-turske
Uglavnom ; nije ni ovima ovamo dosadno.
RayMabus- Posts : 184105
2014-04-11
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Ode Srpska u tri fine.
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omni wrote:Ode Srpska u tri fine.
Po cemu :D ajme opsesija cudnih..... Turci ce dobiti patrpnat nad federacijom a srpska je pod ruskom zatitom....i to je ok prirodna podjla
epikur37- Posts : 45339
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Opsesija opsesija, vidje opsesije :Depikur37 wrote:omni wrote:Ode Srpska u tri fine.
Po cemu :D ajme opsesija cudnih..... Turci ce dobiti patrpnat nad federacijom a srpska je pod ruskom zatitom....i to je ok prirodna podjla
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.. wrote:zapravo, Rusi ne znaju handleat saveznike nit su ikad znali, samo čizma, tako da ovo može biti samo kratkoročno u korist Turske, ali dugoročno bi lizali šapu, i to neće ići..
nisu znali i ne znaju, ali ovo nije tek kratkoročno.
Postoje realni, nevidljivi čimbenici, geopolitički, koji tursku guraju u sukob sa SAD, ne samo oni vjerski
Turska je ogromna vojna i mornarička sila i tu postoji trenje sa SAD koji žele biti jedini gospodari na svjetskim morima, Turska možda nije ni svjesna koliko tu postoji stvaran sukob interesa
s druge strane Rusi Turcima ni u kom pogledu nisu prijetnja
Turski "neprijatelji" iran i asad u siriji su to jer je to po diretkivi SAD, u biti nema real političkih razloga da turci ruše asada ni ratuju s iranom.
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marcellus- Posts : 46005
2014-04-16
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MaximusDecimusMiridije wrote:.. wrote:zapravo, Rusi ne znaju handleat saveznike nit su ikad znali, samo čizma, tako da ovo može biti samo kratkoročno u korist Turske, ali dugoročno bi lizali šapu, i to neće ići..
Nikako ni na koji nacin ovo nemoze ici u korist Turske. Doduse oni su si sami suzili mogucnosti. Prakticki su uspjeli od svih susjeda napraviti neprijatelje. Prije par mjeseci su bili ono na rubu rata s Rusima....sad odjednom best friends. Sretno i jednima i drugima s tako stalozenim vodjom jedne takve drzave.
praktički su od svih susjeda napravili neprijatelje po direktivi SAD.
Kad su prije par mjeseci promijenili politiku, naročito prema Iranu, što je prošlo nezapaženo u svjetskim medijima, i najavili moguću promjenu politike prema asadu, te počeli stjecati prijatelje koji su američki neprijatelji, evo ti puča.
mislim da su stvari očite
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marcellus- Posts : 46005
2014-04-16
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Cemu cudjenja.
Turci su u zajebanom polozaju.
Kako ce isplivati iz svega pitanje je ali ne cudi da se prestrojavaju,protestiraju itd.
Dijelom brinu o naciji, a dijelom vlast sama o sebi kako to najcesce i drugi rade.
Ne mogu biti pasivni i mirni.
Turci su u zajebanom polozaju.
Kako ce isplivati iz svega pitanje je ali ne cudi da se prestrojavaju,protestiraju itd.
Dijelom brinu o naciji, a dijelom vlast sama o sebi kako to najcesce i drugi rade.
Ne mogu biti pasivni i mirni.
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2015-08-09
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Ankara prestaje provoditi američku politiku i okreće se sebi, što je dobro i očekivano.
Doista im nije ni trebala epizoda američkog diktata zbog koje su se konfrontirali okolo a napose s velikom Rusijom. Napose zato što je s Erdoganom ona ušla u postkemalističku fazu, odnosno vraća se vlastitoj političkoj tradiciji i perspektivama.
Doista im nije ni trebala epizoda američkog diktata zbog koje su se konfrontirali okolo a napose s velikom Rusijom. Napose zato što je s Erdoganom ona ušla u postkemalističku fazu, odnosno vraća se vlastitoj političkoj tradiciji i perspektivama.
epikur37- Posts : 45339
2015-08-06
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rusija ce njukat tursku i to ostaje i konstantinopolis ce opet biti grcki, to je moje predvidjanje i nije pola foruma predvidjalo i tako ce biti,dva brata wrote:toliko o tome da će Rusi njukovima uništiti Tursku, i da će se u konstantinopolu/istambulu opet krstiti sa 3 prsta - kako je pola foruma predviđalo
dok cijelo vrijeme su ova dvojica bili i ostali.. dva brata
tebe jebe putin zestoko cim koristis svaku priliku da popljujes rusiju no kako god, bit ce onako kako sam ja napisao, i vjeruj yoda to ce biti uskoro, sto se tice turske i rusije kao saveznika, nikad nisu bili i nikad nece biti, oni su neprijatelji od davnina i tako ce ostat, sve ove politicke igre su samo igre ko ce koga naguzit, kao sto si govorio sad ce erdo zatvorit pipu islamistima , da je zatvorio pipu nebi imali s cim napravit ofenzivu na haleb , i dalje imaju suport turske kao i prije, u biti cak sad i vise jer saudi kupuju oruzje na sve strane i sve ulazi preko turske te tako dobar dio love ostaje i erdoganovim igracima,
tako da ne seruckaj sa sitnijem provokacijama
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Re: Prijelomna vijest sa Russia Today - Turci žele u vojni savez sa Rusijom dok NATO pokazuje nezainteresiranost...
, posto cementWinter is coming wrote:valjda ce sad pasti ona cementara kod Alepadva brata wrote:toliko o tome da će Rusi njukovima uništiti Tursku, i da će se u konstantinopolu/istambulu opet krstiti sa 3 prsta - kako je pola foruma predviđalo
dok cijelo vrijeme su ova dvojica bili i ostali.. dva brata
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