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ako lupe visoke poreze, hoće li se smanjiti količina novca u opticaju a time i inflacija?
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oće.deda wrote:ako lupe visoke poreze, hoće li se smanjiti količina novca u opticaju a time i inflacija?
a oće li ljudi tada veselo nastaviti roditi ili će pokušati preći granicu?
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Tax
Taxes effectively take money away from the hands of corporations and citizens, leaving customers and investors less money to save and invest, for more money in hands of government.
Exise duty, VAT and service tax are deterrents on use of specific business, services and products, while income tax decreases consumption and savings in general. So Taxing a product/service, thus making it expensive, will in lead to immediate decrease in consumption and long term decrease in inflation, However, at the same time, it increases the opportunity cost of doing a business, thus should be avoided at all costs.
Income tax, on the other hand, reduces the spending capacity of all the taxpayers, for money in hand of government. Thus reducing inflation. The overall effect of taxes can be similar to that of repo rate changes.
Taxes are relatively inflexible and are rarely used to achieve short term policy goals. So an increase in taxes is rarely used to put a check on inflation rates in sound economies.
What government decides to do with the tax revenues also has significant impact on the inflation rate. Excess spending on employee salaries, imports, subsidies and freebie welfare policies leads to increase in inflation rate, while the investments in export sector, and infrastructure development will lead to long term increase in productivity, thus cheaper products. Government spending, similar to repo rate, is really flexible, and can be used to achieve short term policy goals.
Therefore, It is only in perfect coordination with Central bank and state governments can an economy of a country be regulated by Central banks. If there is a major disagreement between the three, it needs to be resolved and long term policy goals defined for the smooth functioning of an economy. Only if three share a goal and work towards its attainment, can it be achieved.
Now let us look at relationship between taxation and inflation. In Keynesian economics framework, taxes are determinants of aggregate demand. So, increases in taxes lead to lesser demand (as consumers will have less money to spend) and, hence, their impact tend to be deflationary. Similarly, it can be argued that tax cuts will lead to more consumer spending and their impact tend to be inflationary. But aggregate supply remains completely unaffected by changes in taxes.
On the other hand, those who discard the above framework, believe that from a supply side perspective, increases in taxes tend to increase the production cost and the burden is passed on from the producers to the consumers in the form of indirect taxes. So, the prices of goods and services will rise leading to inflation. Therefore there is no perfect equation between taxation and inflation.
Taxes effectively take money away from the hands of corporations and citizens, leaving customers and investors less money to save and invest, for more money in hands of government.
Exise duty, VAT and service tax are deterrents on use of specific business, services and products, while income tax decreases consumption and savings in general. So Taxing a product/service, thus making it expensive, will in lead to immediate decrease in consumption and long term decrease in inflation, However, at the same time, it increases the opportunity cost of doing a business, thus should be avoided at all costs.
Income tax, on the other hand, reduces the spending capacity of all the taxpayers, for money in hand of government. Thus reducing inflation. The overall effect of taxes can be similar to that of repo rate changes.
Taxes are relatively inflexible and are rarely used to achieve short term policy goals. So an increase in taxes is rarely used to put a check on inflation rates in sound economies.
What government decides to do with the tax revenues also has significant impact on the inflation rate. Excess spending on employee salaries, imports, subsidies and freebie welfare policies leads to increase in inflation rate, while the investments in export sector, and infrastructure development will lead to long term increase in productivity, thus cheaper products. Government spending, similar to repo rate, is really flexible, and can be used to achieve short term policy goals.
Therefore, It is only in perfect coordination with Central bank and state governments can an economy of a country be regulated by Central banks. If there is a major disagreement between the three, it needs to be resolved and long term policy goals defined for the smooth functioning of an economy. Only if three share a goal and work towards its attainment, can it be achieved.
Now let us look at relationship between taxation and inflation. In Keynesian economics framework, taxes are determinants of aggregate demand. So, increases in taxes lead to lesser demand (as consumers will have less money to spend) and, hence, their impact tend to be deflationary. Similarly, it can be argued that tax cuts will lead to more consumer spending and their impact tend to be inflationary. But aggregate supply remains completely unaffected by changes in taxes.
On the other hand, those who discard the above framework, believe that from a supply side perspective, increases in taxes tend to increase the production cost and the burden is passed on from the producers to the consumers in the form of indirect taxes. So, the prices of goods and services will rise leading to inflation. Therefore there is no perfect equation between taxation and inflation.
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aben wrote:oće.deda wrote:ako lupe visoke poreze, hoće li se smanjiti količina novca u opticaju a time i inflacija?
a oće li ljudi tada veselo nastaviti roditi ili će pokušati preći granicu?
oš znat malu prljavu tajnu zašto je inflacija u Venezueli, ali nema veze sa socijalizmom, pa možda i ne želiš znati
privatne banke i privatni sektor printaju novac
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država bez poreza nema kontrolu nad novcem
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pa unda neka samo nacionaliziraju sve banke, to je ionako uvijek dobra ideja, jel takdeda wrote:aben wrote:oće.deda wrote:ako lupe visoke poreze, hoće li se smanjiti količina novca u opticaju a time i inflacija?
a oće li ljudi tada veselo nastaviti roditi ili će pokušati preći granicu?
oš znat malu prljavu tajnu zašto je inflacija u Venezueli, ali nema veze sa socijalizmom, pa možda i ne želiš znati
privatne banke i privatni sektor printaju novac
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aben wrote:
pa unda neka samo nacionaliziraju sve banke, to je ionako uvijek dobra ideja, jel tak
nije tako,
u Venezueli bi trebali povećati poreze, provesti fiskalizaciju da ne može nitko ništa sakriti, posisat što više love i voditi državni suficit, dok se inflacija ne svede pod kontrolu, onda opustiti mjere
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/venezuela/government-budget
dok bi u Hrvatskoj trebalo obratno, sniziti poreze i povećati deficit dok se ne postigne gotovo puna zaposlenost
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deda wrote:aben wrote:
pa unda neka samo nacionaliziraju sve banke, to je ionako uvijek dobra ideja, jel tak
nije tako,
u Venezueli bi trebali povećati poreze, provesti fiskalizaciju da ne može nitko ništa sakriti, posisat što više love i voditi državni suficit, dok se inflacija ne svede pod kontrolu, onda opustiti mjere
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/venezuela/government-budget
dok bi u Hrvatskoj trebalo obratno, sniziti poreze i povećati deficit dok se ne postigne gotovo puna zaposlenost
misliš da će to išta riješiti u Venezueli?
evo ova dva gore natpisa o porezima i inflaciji ti lipo govore , da je konačni utjecaj poreza više-manje neutralan, i da se ne koristi kao sredstvo obuzdavanja inflacije.
U Venezueli je inflacija zbog NESTAŠICE, ukratko zbog toga jer nemaju nikakvu ekonomiju, ne proizvode niti hranu, a kamo li išta drugo kompliciranije, bilo kakvi monetarni/fiskalni potezi neće im recimo povećati proizvodnju kruha ili kondoma(nestašica jednog i drugog). neće i adio. dapače, jači porezi bi mogli još više pojačati inflaciju, jer će i ono malo kruha i ljekova što imaju - poskupiti.
Problem je u Venezueli što je socijalistička politika Maruda i Chaveza(te ovisnost o nafti kojom su se ulijenili) uništila realnu ekonomiju, ne proizvode više ništa, i zbog toga je nestašica. Niakva fiskalna i monetarna politika neće dati nikakva rezultata, jer ekipa doslovno nema kruha za jesti? šta bi trebali oporezivati kruh, pa da ga jedu još manje? :D pa ako svi krepaju , logično neće biti ljudi a time niti inflacije
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Pinochet wrote:
U Venezueli je inflacija zbog NESTAŠICE
kad te lažu oči varljive najbolje je zatvoriti ih
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šta mi znači ta slika bez linka. daj mi link, da vidim o čemu se radi, moraš stavit izvordeda wrote:Pinochet wrote:
U Venezueli je inflacija zbog NESTAŠICE
kad te lažu oči varljive najbolje je zatvoriti ih
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šta mi znači ta slika bez linka. daj mi link, da vidim o čemu se radi, moraš stavit izvor
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/venezuela/private-sector-credit
ili ovaj
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/venezuela/domestic-credit-to-private-sector-percent-of-gdp-wb-data.html
Domestic credit to private sector (% of GDP) in Venezuela
Domestic credit to private sector (% of GDP) in Venezuela was last measured at 25.33 in 2013, according to the World Bank. Domestic credit to private sector refers to financial resources provided to the private sector, such as through loans, purchases of nonequity securities, and trade credits and other accounts receivable, that establish a claim for repayment. For some countries these claims include credit to public enterprises.This page has the latest values, historical data, forecasts, charts, statistics, an economic calendar and news for Domestic credit to private sector (% of GDP) in Venezuela.
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pa od koga će naplaćivati porez, imaš 18 milijuna meleza od kojih više od pola nije završilo nikakvu školu, čak ni ne govori službeni jezik, u smislu radne osposobljenosti, sprema im je nesposobni, raspolažu sa mizernom imovinom, i u smislu pokretnina i u smislu nekretnina
i deda bi njima namako porezni teret... :)))
i deda bi njima namako porezni teret... :)))
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http://www.tradingeconomics.com/venezuela/private-sector-credit
naša sam
Ukratko ista količina novca je povezana sa inflacijom. Dakle nisu povećali količinu realnog novca za ništa, nego samo količina novih brojeva, prati godišnju stopu inflacije od 800% . ništa više.
količina realnog novca, onoga novca koji bi vrijedio na tržištu, je vjerojatno manja ili niža. Rekao bi ti - povećavaju samo "brojeve" i ništa više, dodaju brojke,
Nemogu kreditori davati tipa 2500 onih venezuelanskih govana, što su davali prošle godine , jer ove godine je stopa inflacije bila 800%, dakle idući kredit da bi imao istu realnu vrijednost kao onaj od prošle godine mora biti 800% veći, odnosno iznosti - ako je prošli bio 2500 bolivara, novi mora biti 20 000
valjda je ono to što ti govoriš "banke mogu samo stvoriti brojke i država isto" .. vidiš šta se događa kada se to radi :D hiperinflacija
tako bi i ludi Pernar napravio "monetarnu reformu"
naša sam
Ukratko ista količina novca je povezana sa inflacijom. Dakle nisu povećali količinu realnog novca za ništa, nego samo količina novih brojeva, prati godišnju stopu inflacije od 800% . ništa više.
količina realnog novca, onoga novca koji bi vrijedio na tržištu, je vjerojatno manja ili niža. Rekao bi ti - povećavaju samo "brojeve" i ništa više, dodaju brojke,
Nemogu kreditori davati tipa 2500 onih venezuelanskih govana, što su davali prošle godine , jer ove godine je stopa inflacije bila 800%, dakle idući kredit da bi imao istu realnu vrijednost kao onaj od prošle godine mora biti 800% veći, odnosno iznosti - ako je prošli bio 2500 bolivara, novi mora biti 20 000
valjda je ono to što ti govoriš "banke mogu samo stvoriti brojke i država isto" .. vidiš šta se događa kada se to radi :D hiperinflacija
tako bi i ludi Pernar napravio "monetarnu reformu"
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michaellcmacha wrote:pa od koga će naplaćivati porez, imaš 18 milijuna meleza od kojih više od pola nije završilo nikakvu školu, čak ni ne govori službeni jezik, u smislu radne osposobljenosti, sprema im je nesposobni, raspolažu sa mizernom imovinom, i u smislu pokretnina i u smislu nekretnina
i deda bi njima namako porezni teret... :)))
normalno,
osim toga inflacija je tamo zbog nestašice, objasnio sam prije par godina.
Socijalistička politika je uništila ono malo proizvodnje i realne ekonomije što su imali, - pazi ovo - uništili su i vlastitu naftnu industriju kada su je nacionalizirali.
Rezultat je toga, da nitko ništa ne proizvodi, niti izvoze, niti imaju išta, a ljudi kao ljudi - trebaju svaki dan hranu, vodu, odjeću, ljekove, medicinske i ostale usluge, auta, gorivo, mobitele..
a ništa ne proizvode, ništa ne izvoze, i normalno da je inflacija.
Zamisli da sutra u RH, sve pekare stanu proizvoditi kruh. Cijena bi otišla u nebo odmah, - e to se dešava u Venezeuli
jedina realna ekonomija im je bila izvoz nafte, a nafti je pala cijena, ne samo što joj je pala cijena, lijeni Venezuelanci ništa ne proizvode više, jer šta ćeš raditi ,kada im je Chavez davao besplatno petrodolare, dok je barel nafte bio 120$, a trošak vađenja 30$, nitko nije bio motiviran da se bavi ičim..
sada je barel nafte 60$ a trošak vađenja 50$, i prnuli su
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michaellcmacha wrote:pa od koga će naplaćivati porez
naplaćuješ ga tamo gdje je praktično, u dućanu pri kupnji robe, pri isplati plaća, pri podizanju love iz banke/pošte...
zemlja jest disfunkcionalna, ali kriviti za svaki primjer propasti socijalizam je glupo
Saudijska Arabija ima isti model, država prodaje naftu i troši na gluposti, nitko ne vrišti kako je tamo socijalizam
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Pinochet wrote:
Ukratko ista količina novca je povezana sa inflacijom. Dakle nisu povećali količinu realnog novca za ništa, nego samo količina novih brojeva, prati godišnju stopu inflacije od 800%.
ne možeš multiplicirati iznose na računima, nije se nečiji dug zbog stope inflacije povećao 800% odjednom
ti svaki put izmišljaš sve veću i veću glupost
privatni sektor diže kredite, tiska novi novac, to uzrokuje inflaciju
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ok , recimo da si u pravu.
Kako će Pekare, odjedanput početi proizvoditi kruh, kada kukaju da uopće nemaju sredstava za nabaviti pšenicu?
Kako riješiti problem, da u isto vrijeme imaš hiperinflaciju, a sa druge strane u Venezuelanskim trgovinama prazne police, jednostavno nema robe za kupiti. Država ulazila i nacionalizirala tvornice, tvornice obustavile proizvodnju, trgovine distribuciju, kako to riješiti? većim porezima? kako će veći porezi pokrenuti proizvodnju tariguza(obično tariguz prvi najebe u socijalističkim hiperinflacijama)
Kako će Pekare, odjedanput početi proizvoditi kruh, kada kukaju da uopće nemaju sredstava za nabaviti pšenicu?
Kako riješiti problem, da u isto vrijeme imaš hiperinflaciju, a sa druge strane u Venezuelanskim trgovinama prazne police, jednostavno nema robe za kupiti. Država ulazila i nacionalizirala tvornice, tvornice obustavile proizvodnju, trgovine distribuciju, kako to riješiti? većim porezima? kako će veći porezi pokrenuti proizvodnju tariguza(obično tariguz prvi najebe u socijalističkim hiperinflacijama)
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valjda je ono to što ti govoriš "banke mogu samo stvoriti brojke i država isto" .. vidiš šta se događa kada se to radi :D hiperinflacija
zato postoje porezi, kako bi se kontrolirala količina novca u opticaju
država je odgovorna, banke nisu odgovorne i svako malo uzrokuju nekretninske ili burzovne balone pa onda recesije i depresije
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Kako će Pekare, odjedanput početi proizvoditi kruh, kada kukaju da uopće nemaju sredstava za nabaviti pšenicu?
Kako riješiti problem, da u isto vrijeme imaš hiperinflaciju, a sa druge strane u Venezuelanskim trgovinama prazne police, jednostavno nema robe za kupiti. Država ulazila i nacionalizirala tvornice, tvornice obustavile proizvodnju, trgovine distribuciju, kako to riješiti? većim porezima? kako će veći porezi pokrenuti proizvodnju tariguza(obično tariguz prvi najebe u socijalističkim hiperinflacijama)
privremeno ukineš tržište, isto kao i u doba rata ili prirodnih katastrofa, uvedeš izvanredne mjere
sprječavaš nagomilavanje resursa kod onih koji su u prilici iskoristiti situaciju
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing
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pa to su i radili.. "ukinuli" tržište, to i rade godinama.. Venezuelanska vlast baš to - govori da "pojedinci skupljaju hranu i ostalo, i tako uzrokuju nestašice" i onda vojska uleće u privatne trgovine, tvornice, nacionalizira, prazni skladišta, kontrolira, i doslovno ništa nisu riješili, jer je svaki put sve gore i gore.
Evo sada pekari se žale da jednostavno nemogu nigdje kupiti pšenicu i nemogu peći kruh, u venezueli nitko nije sadio pšenicu, a nemaju para za uvoz(jer venezuelanski bolivar ne vrijedi kurca , ) a država sve jedno optužuje da Pekari rade zavjeru protiv narodne vlasti, i prijeti da će ulaziti vojskom u pekare i nacionalizirati ih.
link sa početka teme
Inspections to ensure bakeries are complying with these new requirements began on Monday, and over 700 of them have received government visits so far this week. Bakers who do not comply with these programs risk having their bakeries expropriated and handed to the Committees for Supply and Production (CLAP), socialist brigades tasked with distributing the nation’s food supply.
“We have identified part of the conspiracies and deeds that have generated sabotage in order to bring bread to the people,” Vice President Tareck El Aissami said on Monday. “Bakeries which do not follow [the rules] will be occupied by the government.” El Aissami reiterated the government’s belief that the reason for the current bread shortage in the country is that bakers use too much of their wheat for expensive and needless pastries instead of using their supplies to make bread for poorer people.
President Nicolás Maduro issued a stern warning to the nation’s bakers, whom he accused of launching a bread war. “They will pay, I swear,” he told a crowd on his Sunday night television program. “Those responsible for the bread war will pay and, later, don’t go and say that it is political persecution.”
“Even our lord Jesus Christ put bread into the Our Father,” Maduro added, referring to the Lord’s Prayer, an ancient poem Maduro’s government once modified to praise late dictator Hugo Chávez.
Bakers have expressed extreme frustration at the new measures. Last year, the government put the nation’s food supply under the control of the military, so bakeries are beholden to the whims of the government ration system. According to the nation’s bakers’ organization, 80 percent of the nation’s bakeries do not have inventory to make bread. The government also regulates the price of bread, so the laws of supply and demand do not apply in the Venezuelan economy, and bakers have no hope of making a profit.
Venezuela is suffering an extreme food crisis, which has led as many as 2.4 million Venezuelans to rely on scraps from garbage trucks and dumpsters as food to survive
Evo sada pekari se žale da jednostavno nemogu nigdje kupiti pšenicu i nemogu peći kruh, u venezueli nitko nije sadio pšenicu, a nemaju para za uvoz(jer venezuelanski bolivar ne vrijedi kurca , ) a država sve jedno optužuje da Pekari rade zavjeru protiv narodne vlasti, i prijeti da će ulaziti vojskom u pekare i nacionalizirati ih.
link sa početka teme
Venezuela’s socialist government has imposed new draconian measures on its bakeries intended to lay the blame for the intense food shortages the country is experiencing on craven small business owners. Bakers who do not adhere to these rules, the vice president announced this week, will risk having their business seized by the government.
Venezuela’s bakeries must now begin selling bread at 6AM – any later than 7AM will result in sanctions for the bakery – and use 90 percent of their wheat content to make bread. They are not allowed to be in possession of more than 300 sacks of wheat a month.Inspections to ensure bakeries are complying with these new requirements began on Monday, and over 700 of them have received government visits so far this week. Bakers who do not comply with these programs risk having their bakeries expropriated and handed to the Committees for Supply and Production (CLAP), socialist brigades tasked with distributing the nation’s food supply.
“We have identified part of the conspiracies and deeds that have generated sabotage in order to bring bread to the people,” Vice President Tareck El Aissami said on Monday. “Bakeries which do not follow [the rules] will be occupied by the government.” El Aissami reiterated the government’s belief that the reason for the current bread shortage in the country is that bakers use too much of their wheat for expensive and needless pastries instead of using their supplies to make bread for poorer people.
President Nicolás Maduro issued a stern warning to the nation’s bakers, whom he accused of launching a bread war. “They will pay, I swear,” he told a crowd on his Sunday night television program. “Those responsible for the bread war will pay and, later, don’t go and say that it is political persecution.”
“Even our lord Jesus Christ put bread into the Our Father,” Maduro added, referring to the Lord’s Prayer, an ancient poem Maduro’s government once modified to praise late dictator Hugo Chávez.
Bakers have expressed extreme frustration at the new measures. Last year, the government put the nation’s food supply under the control of the military, so bakeries are beholden to the whims of the government ration system. According to the nation’s bakers’ organization, 80 percent of the nation’s bakeries do not have inventory to make bread. The government also regulates the price of bread, so the laws of supply and demand do not apply in the Venezuelan economy, and bakers have no hope of making a profit.
Venezuela is suffering an extreme food crisis, which has led as many as 2.4 million Venezuelans to rely on scraps from garbage trucks and dumpsters as food to survive
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i onaj moj post što sam napisao prije 3godine, kada je pola bivše foruma i cijeli advance.hr slavili što je ovaj ulećao u trgovine i tvornice sa vojskom :D kao "to je kraj kapitalizma sada će ovaj njima pokazati"
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